Submitted by R. Neal on Thu, 2009/02/26 - 11:13am

Omnibus bill has $570,000 for South Waterfront pedestrian bridge

Congressman John J. Duncan, Jr.: ...many bills that sound good on the surface have wasteful, pork barrel spending buried deep within the bill.

One man's pork is another man's prime rib, or something.

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Brian A.'s picture

That's a bridge spanning the

That's a bridge spanning the Tennessee River? Where is it supposed to be?

Brian A.
I'd rather be cycling.

R. Neal's picture

I seem to recall it was

I seem to recall it was somewhere near Gay St. bridge to connect to the proposed riverwalk/park, but I'm not certain.

The Mrs. noted it doesn't sound like enough money to build a new bridge. Maybe it's attached to one of the existing bridges like they did on the Buck Karnes Alcoa Hwy. bridge.

smalc's picture

I seem to recall seeing it

I seem to recall seeing it on a rendering near Thompson-Boling or maybe closer to the railroad trestle.

But yes, $570K MIGHT cover the design and permitting.

Stick Thrower's picture

does seem a little underfunded

The marina/dock on that new S. waterfront complex opposite Neyland already goes about half way across the river. Maybe they'll tie onto that.

michael kaplan's picture

maybe it's a new sidewalk

maybe it's a new sidewalk for the henley street bridge when it's renovated.

whatever it's for, $500K for pedestrians is a hopeful sign ..

Brian A.'s picture

I'm all for non-auto

I'm all for non-auto infrastructure spending--I just hope there's a good plan in place to make it worthwhile.

They built a great pedestrian extension on the Buck Karnes Bridge, but there's really no where to go when you get on the south side.

Brian A.
I'd rather be cycling.

bizgrrl's picture

but there's really no where

but there's really no where to go when you get on the south side.

I really had to chuckle when I read this. We plan it that way. Stay on your side of the river :) Thus, don't know why they will want a pedestrian bridge to SoKno (sarcasm again).

As SKB just said, depends on what you are looking for on the south side. What would you like as a destination? How close does it need to be? Just kidding with you. All in fun.

Brian A.'s picture

My understanding is that

My understanding is that there's a long-range plan (emphasis on "long") to have a multi-use trail paralleling Alcoa highway going down through Alcoa/Maryville.

I have no idea where that stands; my gut tells me to expect it about 2025.

Brian A.
I'd rather be cycling.

Nelle's picture

Going somewhere

Yes, there's a long-range plan to connect all the way to the Knox/Blount County line, but part will be coming sooner than 2025.

The city it supposed to start work on the section from the Buck Karnes bridge down to Marine Park this summer.

So there will be a little bit of somewhere to go.

The county will be building another portion, and then a lot of it will be done by TDOT along with the Alcoa Highway project. That part may take awhile ...

Rachel's picture

The Mayor announced this at

The Mayor announced this at Council Tuesday. He said it was not nearly enough to build the bridge, which is part of the overall South Waterfront plan. It's just a start - if it's built the rest of the $$$ will have to come from elsewhere.

Up Goose Creek's picture

Bridge to Clancy

The bridge is slated go from Lake Loudon Blvd drive to Clancy Ave. Which is the east end of Scottish Pike.

Now if the kids that are zooming up the road in their sports cars and SUVs actually got on their bikes and used it this might be a good thing for the neighborhood but I'm not convinced.

With all the "public participation" that went on, why was bridge siting rarely discussed?

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Rachel's picture

Goose & I agree on this one.

Goose & I agree on this one. There has never been much discussion about siting the bridge. And I really don't understand why you would want the northern end at Lake Loudoun Blvd unless you're seeing it primarily as a way to get UT fans to park on the southside and walk over.

I think, and have opined to TPTB on more than one occasion, that a much better northern terminus would be where the Second Creek Greenway connects to Volunteer Landing. This would tie the south side to both UT AND downtown.

redmondkr's picture

A stand alone pedestrian

A stand alone pedestrian bridge that will not interfere with river traffic must be an expensive project. Surely the thing to do is to modify the Gay Street or Henley Street bridge.

I have heard CSX dispatchers in the past warning train crews of trespassers on their railroad bridge during football games and Boomsday. Norfolk Southern has also become more aggressive in their prosecution of trespassers.

Nobody in Knoxville would consider federal money to accommodate game day traffic as pork.


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michael kaplan's picture

it's obviously an attempt to

it's obviously an attempt to accomodate a student population in the housing units built on the south bank, and possibly enable students living on cherokee trail to access the campus without driving across the gay street bridge.

Nobody's picture

Bridge to No Where

There are no pork projects or 9000 earmarks in that bill!

gonzone's picture

Perhaps

Perhaps you are confusing the Recovery Act with last year's budget for FY2009? Now the Recovery Act contains no earmarks, but the budget bill contains lots, and guess which party accounts for many of them? [hint, look at Duncan's party affiliation] I guess one man's pork is another man's ham dinner.
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rikki's picture

It seems like there are

It seems like there are shovel-ready components to the South Waterfront plan, but this is not one. The siting has not been discussed, and the Lake Loudoun Blvd terminus is a poor choice for depositing foot traffic. Compliance with river traffic is not a trivial matter, and can you span the Tennessee River without doing an EIS?

I was expecting the roundabouts to be our shovel-ready pork sandwich.

Rachel's picture

The Mayor announced this $$

The Mayor announced this $$ as a "grant." I'm not even sure it's in the stimulus package. Perhaps Bill Lyons can clear it up for us.

Bill Lyons's picture

$$ for Pedestrian Bridge

Rachel, you are correct. It is not part of the stimulus package, but is part of the omnibus spending bill.

from Federal Times http://www.federaltimes.com/index.php?S=3964279

The House today passed a $410 billion appropriations omnibus to fund the federal government through the end of the current fiscal year.
The bill — approved on a 245-178 vote — funds all agencies except the Defense, Homeland Security and Veterans Affairs departments, for which Congress last year approved appropriations measures. All other agencies have been operating under a continuing resolution since the beginning of the fiscal year. That resolution is set to expire March 6. The Senate has yet to take up debate on the omnibus bill, HR 1105.

scottfrith's picture

I heard it was five million

I heard it was five million dollars minimum for a pedestrian bridge.

jbr's picture

Anyone know how much the

Anyone know how much the walkway addition was for the Alcoa Highway Bridge?

bizgrrl's picture

Good question. For a new

Good question. For a new pedestrian bridge, why not use existing infrastructure (e.g. Gay Street, Henley Street)?

Bill Lyons's picture

Gay and Henley St. Bridges

I understand this question, and it would have been nice to add to the RR bridges, but that has not proven to be possible. Gay St. and Henley St. are existing pedestrian bridges (or at least can be used by pedestrians). They have sidewalks. I walk across Gay St. Bridge all the time and occasionally have walked over the Henley St. Bridge. The pedestrian bridge was recommended by the consultants and well received through the public process. It fills along gap between Henley and Alcoa highway and the idea of pedestrian and bicycle connectivity from the south waterfront to the university is very appealing. The notice of the application for support for Federal grants for this project was included in the March 2008 South Waterfront newsletter.

http://www.cityofknoxville.org/southwaterfront/newsletter/03_2008.pdf

rikki's picture

A pedestrian bridge is an

A pedestrian bridge is an appealing concept, but that does not mean it can't be screwed up by poor planning. The existing bridges go from blufftop to blufftop, so this one presumably will go from riverbank to riverbank, which means there will be considerable elevation gain to allow boats to go under it. If it is too steep, the bridge loses utility. Flattening it out will require either curves or angles.

The Clancy-to-Lake path is pretty much a straight shot. Second Creek is obviously a more useful endpoint than Lake Loudoun Blvd for pedestrians and bicycles, and a Clancy-to-creek path would allow for a gentler grade. I fear poorly chosen endpoints could be major constraints on an architect trying to achieve good function.

Regarding the RR bridges, is it not possible to incorporate them into the structure because of engineering specs? Or is this more ridiculous residue of the Vanderbilt era, with rail lines in private ownership when they should obviously be public utilities like our roads?

metulj's picture

Railroads: I imagine it has

Railroads: I imagine it has to do with FRA, which has been used by the Mainlines to prevent a lot of usage of their rails/equipment/facilities by any sort of uses other than mandated Amtrak.

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Rachel's picture

Yay, Rikki! I've been

Yay, Rikki! I've been trying to get somebody else to speak up about the proposed endpoint of this bridge for literally YEARS.

I don't know for sure, but I suspect at least one problem with using the railroad bridge is just dealing with the railroad.

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