Rikki Hall: Duncan has it backwards

Submitted by R. Neal on Thu, 2008/05/15 - 6:49am.

Used Conservatively

Any honest observer can see where power resides, but Rep. Duncan thinks the Sierra Club is in cahoots with OPEC. Seriously.

Rikki unravels one of Duncan's more twisted lines of logic.



gonzone's picture
Bulb

Even though Duncan has redeemed himself in my eyes somewhat by opposing the war, he's never been the brightest bulb and occupies his position due to his father just like some other politicians we know.

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter S. Thompson

It doesn't take an Einstein

It doesn't take an Einstein to know that a large truck or SUV gets half the gas mileage of a well-designed four door sedan. The .gov allowed this to happen by exemptions in the CAFE standard for small trucks and SUV's. The SUV craze was a combination of actual need, ego, and later fear. People thought SUV's were safer even though crash tests showed for many years SUV's were actually more dangerous.

However, this country has not built a refinery in decades. The Sierra Club has been very pleased by that. OPEC seems pleased also. We do need new refineries and increased domestic production. But we also need better CAFE standards. The American people are caught in the crossfire.

The idea that people will choose to live closer to work and ride a bike or walk is for the most part a bit of fantasy. The idea that hybrids and super efficient small cars will let us "conserve" our way out of this mess is not realistic.

This reminds me of what has happened to college tuitions. No one would have believed twenty years ago that college would become so expensive. But through a lack of foresight and planning colleges and universities played follow the leader and said, "everybody is raising tuitions", so we will too. But with student loans and state lottery scholarships, the problem was fix, right?

Bring on the new refineries, for the poor people, for the children.

"Bring on the new

"Bring on the new refineries, for the poor people, for the children."

What's your address again? Let's see if there's some cheap land near your house to build that puppy.

True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler

Andy Axel's picture
Near? How about a little

Near? How about a little act of eminent domain?

It's for the betterment of society, after all.

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"It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?"

You mention something to

You mention something to help working people and you are frowned upon by environmentalist. How does that make any sense?

When I was a working teenager a gallon of gas was 20% of one hour of the minimum wage.

Today a gallon of gas is 61% of one hour of minimum wage.

Sorry I care more about working people than the environmentalist extremists. But how many environmentalist extremists work for minimum wage?

Current gas prices are on

Current gas prices are on par with the past in terms of inflation. Anyhow, poor folk do have to drive to work, though that is a function of how the American landscape evolved after the automobile became the raison d'etre of sprawlers. I feel sorry for the poor. They should rise up and take control of their lives, take away power from people who insist on living apart from everyone else and create an unsustainable landscape of settlement. The fix is in, digit, and it was all your fault.

Signed,

Not my fault. I live in a city.

True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler

Dear Not my fault. I live in a city,

Do you grow your food in your back yard or is it delivered by truck? How do you get the clothes you wear? Delivered by storks? Your fancy wine from Australia, delivered by storks also?

Signed,

You're in denial, but you're funny

p.s. I am contacting the humane society. Stork abuser.

deliverance

That's the whole point, pinhead; the cost of delivering goods is lower in cities, just like the cost of getting to work is lower. Everything is cheaper when we live wisely.

That's the whole point,

That's the whole point, pinhead; the cost of delivering goods is lower in cities,

Huh? How does that work?

Shorter commodity chains.

Shorter commodity chains. Thinking is hard. I know it hurts.

True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler

Shorter chains and fewer of

Shorter chains and fewer of them too, plus higher likelihood that delivery by the consumer to his pantry requires no combustion.

Yep. I ride my bike to zee

Yep. I ride my bike to zee farm market. I exchange money for goods. I try to do the whole transaction in Spanish, which I have been trying to learn. Then I ride back. This makes me a twinkle-toed communist cocksucker.

True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler

Andy Axel's picture
I try to do the whole

I try to do the whole transaction in Spanish, which I have been trying to learn.

Es más fácil que Esloveniano, ¿verdad?

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"It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?"

Espanol es muy facil. Estoy

Espanol es muy facil. Estoy aprendiendo a hablar.

True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler

Andy Axel's picture
No yo realiziaba lo que

No yo realiziaba lo que aprendí hasta que mi esposa le falta su ropa de interior en Cusco.

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"It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?"

Shorter chains and fewer of

Shorter chains and fewer of them too,

Walking to the store is one less chain.

One.

Again, you don't know what

Again, you don't know what you are talking about.

Link...

True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler

Again, you don't know what

Again, you don't know what you are talking about.

Link...

A car can carry ten times more goods than a man with a cloth bag.

People with cars saving the planet by making less trips.

I just about puked laughing.

I just about puked laughing. If I am riding my bicycle I am not burning any fossil fuels other than the ones used to build and ship the bike 5 years ago. You don't get this do you? I don't make more than two trips a week for food for a family of 5 and don't use my car to do those trips. I am not a hippie by any stretch of the imagination. If anything I am a Virgina private college preppie .... who gets it.*

*And when I wore Duckheads in college, they were made in Knoxville.

True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler

Luddite, you use cars

Luddite, you use cars slightly more than I do. What next, you will tell us the planet has too many people? So to save the planet do we need a one child limit?

I do get it. You see everyone as planet killers who refuse to risk their lives riding a bike to the store. When you ask if a person in Tennessee uses air conditioning it shows you are a little nuts about this. Oh, I do use air conditioning. The planet will have to make do.

Andy Axel's picture
it shows you are a little

it shows you are a little nuts

A case of projection that IMAX couldn't make fit.

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"It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?"

I don't think the planet has

I don't think the planet has too many people. When that threshold is crossed though, it will take care of the problem itself. Plenty of evidence out there to support that assertion.

As for my car use: Slightly, therefore insignificant difference. Whatever you do for a living, which as far as I can tell is either daytrading in your pajamas or living on a disability check, obviously keeps you close to home. That's good. See you can be a better person.

Luddite: Please don't use words you don't understand. I have no problem with modernization. I want to install solar at our new place. That will put coal miners out of work so I can't be a luddite.

Air conditioning in TN: I didn't use it there either. You are just wasting money. You could invest it or give it to charity. Try to be a better person.

True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler

Air conditioning in TN: I

Air conditioning in TN: I didn't use it there either. You are just wasting money. You could invest it or give it to charity. Try to be a better person.

You care much more than I do.

Andy, do you use air conditioning, or are you a planet killer?

When you ask if a person in

When you ask if a person in Tennessee uses air conditioning it shows you are a little nuts about this.

For 27 years in Knoxville I had no air conditioning. Our cars had no air conditioning. When we moved to FL our cars had no air conditioning (for a couple of years).

rikki writes, "Plus, more

rikki writes, "Plus, more refineries mean more demand for oil and therefore higher prices."

I wrote, "We do need new refineries and increased domestic production. But we also need better CAFE standards."

The readers can decide which viewpoint is better grounded in reality and economics.

I have yet to learn from anyone that "more refineries mean more demand for oil and therefore higher prices". That sounds like your opinion, do you have anything to back it up? The reason diesel is so expensive is refinery capacity. Diesel is much less refined than gasoline.

You appear to have inverted supply and demand. I look forward to your proof.

So, can I put you down for

So, can I put you down for that refinery in your neighborhood? And Rikki's assertion is correct. If you build more refineries, demand will increase. There's a reason they are called 'factors.' As for CAFE standards, you would have to have enforcement of those standards. I guess you all for intrusive government now? Phbbbt.

True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler

And Rikki's assertion is

And Rikki's assertion is correct. If you build more refineries, demand will increase.

I await your proof.

Does it stand to reason if we close refineries demand will drop? Or it doesn't work that way?

Are you also saying that lack of refinery capacity is not the reason for high diesel pricing?

Nobody said a goddamn word

Nobody said a goddamn word about closing refineries. Nice try. It's your favorite tactic.

So, can I put you down for a refinery in West Knoxville? It'll take a minimum of 10 years to start producing, so in the mean time, we'll loan you a bicycle.

True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler

Nobody said a goddamn word

Nobody said a goddamn word about closing refineries.

You missed a question:

Are you also saying that lack of refinery capacity is not the reason for high diesel pricing?

Garden: Check. Had arugula

Garden: Check. Had arugula salad tonight. My cherry tomatoes already have blossoms. There are also buds on my cucumbers and squash. Make our own cheese too. Don't own the cow but know the farmer by name. I buy my steak from a halal butcher, who sources from western NJ. We are going to keep chickens when we move to Virginia.

Clothes: I buy only clothing made in the Western Hemisphere. It's the best you can do. I know. I do the sourcing for my wife's companies. Check.

Wine: Currently drinking only North Fork Long Island wines. Check. Will switch to Monticello AVA wines when I move. Hmmm. White Hall Cabernet Franc. Check.

I also compost, recycle, walk, ride my bike, take public transportation, etc. We don't use the air conditioner and heat with scrap wood in the winter. I put a total of 9900 miles on 2 cars and a motorcycle last year. I do fly on airplanes but only to places not served by the train, so I come to Knoxville on the plane, but visit my mom via Amtrak. Check.

Sorry. You think I am being smug, but I haven't even thought about this stuff until you decided to try and take a piece out of me.

True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler

I put a total of 9900 miles

I put a total of 9900 miles on 2 cars and a motorcycle last year.

I put 9700 miles on three cars and my motorcycle still needs a brake job. But I run the engine every month. I feel so, what is the word, smug?

That's nice. Good for you.

That's nice. Good for you. See you can contribute. Do you grow your own food? Do you try to source things with shorter commodity chains? Do you air condition?

True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler

You grow arugula, tomatoes,

You grow arugula, tomatoes, cucumbers, squash, make your own cheese, compost, don't use the air conditioner, and heat with scrap wood.

You sure seem to bring country living to the city. You guys must be organized.

We're growing tomatoes and green peppers. Thought about growing some sort of leafy veggie for salads. Need to do research, don't know anything about them, e.g. how fast do you have to eat it before it goes bad (in the ground or in the fridge).

Definitely want to learn Spanish. Tired of everyone just standing around smiling at each other pretending to understand what's going on.

Moving to Virginia? Will the chickens be just for the eggs or will you kill them for the meat as well?

You grow arugula, tomatoes,

You grow arugula, tomatoes, cucumbers, squash, make your own cheese, compost, don't use the air conditioner, and heat with scrap wood.

You sure seem to bring country living to the city. You guys must be organized.

We do square foot gardening. My raised garden bed is 5 feet by 9 feet of soil. I can get a lot out of that by really taking care of it. Air conditioning makes me sick and inflames my wife's allergies. If you don't use it, you forget you ever had it. I have found that a fan and being selective about when I do certain activities really changes the way you experience a hot summer's day. Since we work at home, I take a siesta and work late at night.

Leafy vegetables: In Tennessee, this is as easy as getting one halved-whiskey barrel for each person in the house, filling it with good, well-drained soil and compost and planting a mesclun mix. Just get some vegetable scissors and selectively cut throughout the year. I know folks in Knoxville who start harvesting greens in earlyish March and keep going until November or later.

Chickens:

Depending on your local ordinances (we are living in the county just across the city line so we can have anything we want), you can do this for chickens. Excellent system. Eggs and meat. Hens really produce well their first two years then rapidly diminish. You can eat them, or just let them be until they die naturally. I have no problem snapping a chicken's neck. I am a hunter, so dispatching an animal isn't such a big deal to me. We would all do better if we knew where our food comes from and a lot of people who keep these chickens find themselves eating less meat over time.

Spanish: I speak/read two other languages than English already so the uptake is pretty quick. Our day care has women who speak nothing but Spanish. These jobs are well suited for them and pay fairly well in the NEast. It is nice to be able to explain which bag is my son's to them. "Si, esta bolsa!"

True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler

Andy Axel's picture
When I was a working

When I was a working teenager a gallon of gas was 20% of one hour of the minimum wage.
Today a gallon of gas is 61% of one hour of minimum wage.

Proof positive that wages have been stagnant relative to inflation for a couple of decades now.

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"It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?"

Brian A.'s picture
"However, this country has

"However, this country has not built a refinery in decades. The Sierra Club has been very pleased by that. OPEC seems pleased also."

One reason no one is building new refineries is because they aren't very profitable.

On what basis do you say OPEC is pleased by this?

Brian A.
I'd rather be cycling.

Yeah, I didn't want to tell

Yeah, I didn't want to tell him to take a short position each November on FTO or VLO....

True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler

Brian A.'s picture
Huh?

"The environmental groups loudly complain about urban sprawl, yet their policies are leading to more urban sprawl as they continue to drive up these gas prices."

How do higher gas prices (making long commutes more expensive) lead to more urban sprawl?

Brian A.
I'd rather be cycling.

Hayduke's picture
Seems like every time I read

Seems like every time I read something by Duncan I have to wonder if he's stupid or if he thinks we are.

Andy Axel's picture
*And when I wore Duckheads

*And when I wore Duckheads in college, they were made in Knoxville.

Probably your Levi's 501's, too.

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"It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust?"

Factchecker's picture
The "blessed" life

I grew up without A/C in our house until high school or later--can't remember exactly when. I think I could take going back without A/C--I think we'd all be better off. But a weird product of our times, though, is that our houses are full of valuables that wouldn't handle the humidity well, I fear. Too much fancy electronics, nice furniture, etc. Not to mention the business workplace that couldn't exist w/o modern HVAC. Sadly.

I do think we could moderate our bodies, though, to do better than 75F minimum winter, 68F max. summer. I swear that's the way people seem to keep it. Makes no damn sense and makes us unhealthy. I like 68 winter, 78 (w/~55%RH) summer. It would be a big reduction in energy usage if everyone adopted that.

(I hardly ever use the A/C in my car. Mostly hate it but splurge on the rare hot day, sometimes more to keep the noise out.)

Re: Terminal Stupidity

We all know that little Jimmy inherited his congressional job from his deceased father. The Republicans have held that seat for more than 75 years....don't you think its time for a change? Same old family...same old ideas....same old outcome. Rumor has it that Jimmy's son is now being groomed to take over for Daddy when the time comes to step down. I think Jimmy forgot a long time ago about where he came from. His mom and dad lived in the projects when Jimmy was born. Then they moved to Holston Hills....now he lives way down near Phil Fulmer. He has gone from rags to riches and, as far as I can tell, has never sponsored any major legislation. Ever wonder who his major contributors are? Ever wonder why no one wants to run against him? He and his father have managed to run either unopposed or with only token opposition throughout their careers. Is that because they've done such a wonderful job or is it because we hold onto him the way we keep that old comfortable arm chair? The chair is now rotten and smells of urine but, after all, it belonged to Daddy. Never mind that the frayed springs poke us in the ass every time we try to move.....we're used to being poked, huh?

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