KnoxViews sat down with Knox County Chief Financial Officer John Troyer and Chief Administrative Officer Dwight Van de Vate this morning to talk about Mayor Mike Ragsdale's proposal for a Knox County Inspector General.

Our report follows after the jump...

The idea was originally floated during the Knox County One Question process, which recommended a charter amendment to create the position of Inspector General. John Troyer presented the idea to the Mayor, who decided it was "in the best interest of Knox County."

The Mayor's office enlisted the help of TVA Inspector General Richard Moore, who advised on establishing an Inspector General's office, its duties, and how it would operate.

One of Mr. Moore's recommendations was to establish an independent Public Integrity Council that would appoint the independent IG and oversee the operations of the office. The council would have nine members, made up of four County Commission appointees, three from the Mayor's office, and two from the School Board.

John Troyer said that the council's work would involve elements of accounting, law enforcement, and the legal profession, so the ideal council members would come from those backgrounds. Although, County Commission, the administration, and the school board can appoint whoever they want except that elected officials would not be permitted to serve on the council.

The council would issue "requests for qualifications" and appoint the most qualified candidate as the Knox County Inspector general. The appointment would be an independent process, with no ratification required by County Commission or the administration.

Qualifications for the Inspector General would be based on the Association of Inspectors General credentialing guidelines, and the appointee would have to be certified by the Association. The IG would be appointed to one six-year term, and could not be reappointed.

Once an IG is appointed, the Public Integrity Council would not be involved in day-to-day operations of the office other than receiving reports for review. Action on any reports or findings would be the responsibility of the appropriate department or the District Attorney General. The council would have the authority to replace the IG only for cause in the case of malfeasance or incapacity.

The purpose of the Inspector General's office would be to "promote public accountability and integrity in the general areas of prevention, examination, investigation, audit, detection, elimination and prosecution of fraud waste and abuse, through policy research and analysis, standardization of practices, policies, conduct, and ethics."

Troyer said that the difference between the Inspector General and the current internal auditor's department, which would remain in place, is that the IG would be "more broadly focused" on county contracts, compliance, vendor relations, purchasing, and county government operations.

When asked about how the IG's office would handle complaints, Dwight Van de Vate said that the IG's office would have an established "whistle-blower" process for county employees to report waste, fraud, and abuse, and that their anonymity would be protected and the rights of accused officials or employees would be safeguarded until completion of the investigation.

Citizen complaints would typically be handled through the Ethics Committee which would refer them to the IG as appropriate, but Van de Vate said the Inspector General would be duty bound to act on any citizen complaints submitted directly to the IG's office.

Van de Vate said that the idea is geared more towards compliance than enforcement, and that the Inspector General's office would take a broader view of county operations with an eye toward best practices that ensure vendor compliance with contracts and employee compliance with county policies.

Troyer said it's about Knox County "getting the best value across the board." They both emphasized that the IG's role would be less focused on "catching" people and more focused on proactive steps to ensure compliance with county policy and contracts, saying it would provide a "deterrent value."

When asked who the Inspector General would report to, Troyer said essentially nobody other than the Public Integrity Council. Van de Vate said it would be similar to the Law Director's office which serves all of Knox Co. government as its clients, except that it wouldn't be an elected office. Troyer and Van de Vate stressed that the IG 's office would be independent of the mayor and county commission.

Regarding concerns about adding a new layer of bureaucracy, Van de Vate noted that the independent office as proposed would have an Inspector General, two forensic officers, and probably one support staff. In the case of an extensive investigation, the IG would be able to request temporary assignment of employees from, for example, the Finance Office or the Internal Auditor's office. The Mayor's office believes that savings from improved oversight and compliance will more than offset the expense of operating the Inspector General's office.

The Mayor's office believes that a Knox County Inspector General is a good idea and that there is no need to wait for a charter amendment. Troyer and Van de Vate said that it can be established now by a County Commission enabling resolution or ordinance.

The path to creating an Inspector General's office involves first getting it funded in the upcoming budget. The budgeted cost is in the range of $250,000 per year. Next would be a County Commission resolution or ordinance creating the office and outlining its duties in general terms. Finally, the Public Integrity Council would help draft a detailed policy governing the Inspector General Office's duties and operation.

The Mayor's office realizes that in the current political climate there may be resistance from various factions. The original One Question proposal called for appointment of the IG by the mayor with confirmation by commission[1]. The idea of a Public Integrity Council, weighted towards County Commission, defuses any political implications of that and ensures an open and independent process.

Limiting the IG to one six-year term also eliminates the possibility of the IG succumbing to outside pressure in order to keep his or her job. The independent nature of the IG's office and leaving the office of Internal Auditor in place, essentially operating at the political whim of County Commission, should address any concerns regarding checks and balances.

By way of editorial comment, the plan is well thought out, with input from the One Question process and guidance from a qualified, experienced professional in TVA Inspector Richard Moore. It seems like a step in the right direction of progressive reform for better government in Knox County. Such an office, had it already been in place, might have helped prevent some of the recent controversies. Going forward, better oversight of county operations could result in savings, and department heads would have an additional resource to help with procurement contracts, oversight, and best practices.

Other than the cost, it's difficult to see how anyone could object. Regarding the cost, Troyer noted that the IG proposal was not discussed in yesterday's County Commission budget hearing. He said that both he and Van de Vate were there, prepared to go over the proposal and discuss the budget impacts, and he found it curious that it didn't come up.

We'll see what happens when commission takes up the budget.

Oh, and one last thing. Contrary to what you may have heard on Hallerin Hill's show this morning, Dwight Van de Vate wants you to know that he does not now nor has he ever operated a nudist colony in Crossville. Heh.

Programming note: John Troyer and Dwight Van de Vate will be on WATE's Tennessee This Week with Gene Patterson this Sunday to discuss the proposal.

[1] Clarification: The IG appointment process originally proposed by One Question called for a "request for qualifications" to be issued by the County Purchasing department "at the direction of the County Mayor," review by the Ethics Committee, and appointment by County Commission.

knoxvegas99's picture

Regarding the cost, Troyer

Regarding the cost, Troyer noted that the IG proposal was not discussed in yesterday's County Commission budget hearing. He said that both he and Van de Vate were there, prepared to go over the proposal and discuss the budget impacts, and he found it curious that it didn't come up.

Randy, more curious by far was the unpreparedness of the mayor's office. Neither Troyer nor Van de Vate, the latter the mayor's putative representative at the hearing, came prepared to discuss the details of the mayor's office budget. This was an astonishing oversight to say the least, and I'd be surprised to find I was the only one who viewed their "forgetfulness" with some suspicion.

It seems like a step in the right direction of progressive reform and better government in Knox County. Such an office, had it already been in place, might have helped prevent some of the recent controversies.

Agreed, but it's important to remember that the behavior of this mayor and many of his senior staffers have in large part brought the IG issue to the forefront. Ragsdale's backing of the IG at this stage is akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Consider what lies ahead for this mayor and his administration:

The hospitality fund audit. These funds, and there were at least two of them, operated in violation of the Knox County Charter and state law.

IdleAire. Now the feds are curious about the timing of Ragsdale's supposed purchase of IdleAire stock and the federal grant pass-through to IdleAire under the umbrella of the Transportation Planning organization. The mayor, of course, is a member of the Executive Board of the TPO.

Possible misuse of campaign contributions. The state is looking into allegations that Ragsdale used campaign money for personal expenses.

Grassroots drive(s) to oust the mayor. A citizen-driven ouster suit is a real possibility long before the expiration of the mayor's term in 2010.

These are all very real threats to Ragsdale's tenure in office and conceivably to his property and liberty. The administration's enthusiasm for an IG should not be taken as a sign that it has suddenly got religion.

Larry Van Guilder

GDrinnen2's picture

"The original One Question

"The original One Question proposal called for appointment of the IG by the mayor with confirmation by commission."

R,

I just wanted to clear up one thing. The KCP proposal does not call for appointment by the Mayor. In fact, it calls for appointment by the Ethics Committee and confirmation by the Commission.

Gary

R. Neal's picture

Thanks, Gary. Clarification

Thanks, Gary. Clarification noted.

Rachel's picture

I think an IG would be a

I think an IG would be a wonderful step for Knox County, for two reasons. One is the independence. The other is the focus on compliance.

The first reason is the one Commission will never do it. Lumpy thinks the IG should be an elected partisan position, for Gods sakes.

Anonymously Nine's picture

Told you so...

Years ago I wrote, "The Emperor wears no clothes".

The manifest hypocrisy of this man has no bounds.

Will the sheep believe Ragsdale has seen the light?

Anonymous's picture

The thought that an OIG for

The thought that an OIG for Knox County is an unnecessary expense has merit to me. Looking at it from a cost:benefit standpoint, an OIG would cost the county more in one month of operation than has the aggregate sum of funds misappropriated by the Ragsdale Administration.

The ide of an OIG is a face-saving red herring tendered by Ragsdale in a feeble attempt to politically rehabilitate the administration.

GDrinnen2's picture

#9

I guess I don't get it. Would an OIG be a good idea if Lumpy or Scooby proposed it? I get that you don't like Ragsdale, but I'm curious what you thnk about the idea of an IG.

Probably swatting a hornets nest . . . . . but hey, its been quiet today.

Anonymously Nine's picture

Just a bad idea...

I guess I don't get it. Would an OIG be a good idea if Lumpy or Scooby proposed it? I get that you don't like Ragsdale, but I'm curious what you think about the idea of an IG.

It is a bad idea regardless of whose idea it is.

It is a particularly bad idea coming as a misdirection from the County Mayor's office. The only thing Knox County needs is 19 County Commissioners with some backbone.

On a side note, this little noticed news from the News Sentinel needs someone to post it on KnoxViews:

(link...)

Folks, the Mayor increased the budget by $11.3 million dollars.

$11 million dollars just dropped out of the sky.

The Midway Industrial Park is dead. Sell the land and the County budget problem is solved.

Discussion?

bill young's picture

IT'S THE BUDGET!!

I believe the Mayor's office & the Commission
MUST put all their efforts into passing
a solid budget in tough times.

Therefore,the IG issue should
be put on the backburner.

I am sure the Mayor's office & Chairman Strickland
will work together to guide the budget process
thru these turbulent waters.

And do the right thing in this tight..tight
budget year.

Rachel's picture

Hmm, the tight budget year

Hmm, the tight budget year is a consideration. OTOH, an IG office might well save as much/more than it costs. By focusing on compliance, $$$ never gets misspent in the first place. Plus IG's are generally also charged with making recommendations about more efficient ways to do things.

Couple that with the fact that an independent IG should help restore trust in government, and I'd say it's worth it.

P.S. I'm with Gary - who cares whose idea it is? Evaluate the idea on the merits.

Anonymously Nine's picture

Civil Service

Hmm, the tight budget year is a consideration. OTOH, an IG office might well save as much/more than it costs.

Civil Service is a much better idea. The idea that County government is corrupt from top to bottom is a myth.

The problem is in suite 615. The rest of the problem is the County Commissioners who lack a backbone who serve Mike Ragsdale.

An IG can do nothing about the Ragsdale accomplices on Commission. An IG cannot make a Commissioner obey their oath.

This is another misdirection from the man who wears no clothes.

Rachel's picture

Civil service is a good

Civil service is a good idea. Don't see why it's either/or.

Commissioner Briggs was strongly in favor of an IG. He spoke about it at the Commission meeting where that charter amendment was considered. He spent considerable time explaining his understanding of an independent IG based on his experience in the service.

So... just curious: does Commissioner Briggs "serve" Mike Ragsdale? Is Commissioner Briggs a "Ragsdale accomplice?"

Anonymously Nine's picture

Non-sequitur

So... just curious: does Commissioner Briggs "serve" Mike Ragsdale? Is Commissioner Briggs a "Ragsdale accomplice?"

Are you asking about the County Commissioner who made a motion to censure the County Mayor for the first time in history? A motion that passed unanimously.

It appears to anyone who actually watches Commission that Commissioner Briggs is an independent thinker. Perhaps the most independent thinker on Commission.

It does not follow...

Rachel's picture

Oh, I completely agree about

Oh, I completely agree about Commissioner Briggs. I'm just confused - you seem to be calling people who agree with one of Ragsdale's ideas his "accomplices."

I guess I misunderstood. Please unconfuse me.

What exactly is your criteria for a Commissioner to be classified as a Ragsdale accomplice? And who are they?

Anonymously Nine's picture

What exactly is your

What exactly is your criteria for a Commissioner to be classified as a Ragsdale accomplice? And who are they?

Criteria? Who are they?

The criteria is simple. Those Commissioners who look away from County Charter and County Ordinance violations. Ragsdale has committed ousterable Charter violations. But it will be up to individual citizens to remove him. The votes are not there on Commission to request an ouster suit from the Law Director.

Who are they? Open your eyes. It was evident yesterday who they are. They defended the budget yesterday or sat mute. Yesterday you could take a roll call.

Rachel, you will be glad to know your Commissioners are not Ragsdale accomplices. Feel better?

GDrinnen2's picture

The tight budget is

The tight budget is absolutely a consideration, but the point of the IG is to find savings. We've had an IA that has found $39,000 over 5 years in a $600 million budget? Anybody think that amount would have been discovered if it wasn't for the infighting?

An Independent IG is a must.

Anonymously Nine's picture

Afternoon surprise?

(link...)

Will KCP make an appearance at County Commission this afternoon?

Curious how the Law Director has reversed himself for the THIRD time on whether Charter Amendments can be combined by County Commission.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

GDrinnen2's picture

Misdirection

"It is a particularly bad idea coming as a misdirection"

Misdirecting to Midway park, OTOH . . . .

Anonymously Nine's picture

Not quite

Misdirecting to Midway park, OTOH . . . .

Those of us in the lower caste do not have posting privileges.

knoxvegas99's picture

So... just curious: does

So... just curious: does Commissioner Briggs "serve" Mike Ragsdale? Is Commissioner Briggs a "Ragsdale accomplice?"

Rachel, you didn't ask me, but IMO, unreservedly "no." I think Briggs took a wrong turn with the best of intentions with his "reasonable man" proposal, but he is intelligent enough, sincere enough and - I trust - persuasive enough to drive some meaningful change in the way commission operates. Briggs could be the cornerstone for building some much-needed respect for this body.

Larry Van Guilder

Rachel's picture

I agree about Briggs. And

I agree about Briggs, even tho I'm sure I'll disagree with him about some things (if you want a Commissioner who always agrees with you, run for office yourself....). And I'll add that part of my opinion is based on getting to chat with him personally a few time about his general approach to Commission service. He did a quadruple bypass on my dad the day after he was appointed to Commission, so I saw him every day in my dad's hospital room for awhile thereafter.

I'm just curious about exactly who #9 thinks are Ragsdale lackeys. How much you wanta bet he dodges the question?

Sandra Clark's picture

The chief

Ragsdale supporters seem to be R. Larry Smith and Mike Hammond, followed closely by Phil Ballard and Dave Wright. Ragsdale doesn't have 10 votes on a good day.

Anonymously Nine's picture

Add one more...

Ragsdale supporters seem to be R. Larry Smith and Mike Hammond, followed closely by Phil Ballard and Dave Wright. Ragsdale doesn't have 10 votes on a good day.

Add Sam McKenzie to the Varsity Team Ragsdale.

It is issue dependent. The key issue is who will vote to instruct the County Law Director to file an ouster suit against Mayor Ragsdale for Charter violations. The County Law Director will not act without a vote from Commission. The Varsity Team has Ragsdale's back no matter what.

The Junior Varsity Team Ragsdale is more difficult to list.

Rachel's picture

The key issue is who will

The key issue is who will vote to instruct the County Law Director to file an ouster suit against Mayor Ragsdale for Charter violations.

You know what? That's not my key issue.

That doesn't make me a member of the Ragsdale varsity. I've never been a fan, and the actions of the past few years are indefensible.

But I'm not interested in seeing time and $$$ spent - not to mention further continued disruption of county government - on an ouster suit.

And yeah, I'm aware my Commissioners aren't Ragsdale supporters. They're also more interested in scoring political points off him than in doing their jobs, which is just as damn bad.

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