I was emailed this and hope it is nothing more than a load of garbage.
>>MCCAIN
>> 0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not
>> propose
>> any change in existing home sales income tax.
>> OBAMA
>> 28% on profit from ALL home sales
If it is bull, and hope that it is, then I am in a dilemma. Even if it turns out to be true I feel we are not hearing the full story. I have faith in Obama and feel this is nothing more than right wing propaganda but it leaves me with this situation, do I block or not block my brother's email's. He is obviously a lost individual who just doesn't seem to get it.
Now the question is how do we fight the right wing propaganda machine. Using the internets they are able to spread false statements as fast as the speed of light and there doesn't seem to be a way to combat it? The poor lost souls who are uninformed, fall into this trap and believe every word of every email that is sent to them. I personally try to research the contents of these emails by Googling it so I can have ammunition to put down these myths in my replies, but it seems that it is getting harder to get to the truth because of the pages upon pages of the same repeated propaganda.
In this society it's beginning to feel that truth is succumbing to lies?
I'm thinking that any idiot (no offense to your brother...I have several relatives that suffer from idiocy as well) who believes ANYTHING they received via the internets/intertubes/"the google" wont have their opinion changed re: the future President Obama no matter how much truth you throw at them.
Submitted by William (not verified) on Thu, 2008/07/24 - 2:06pm.
I feel sad for the poor pathetic people that shovel this kind of distortions. My doctor had heard from a drug rep. that "Obama was going to institute a "Doctor's Tax." Unfortunately, people seem to think that Newsmax or Rush is a legitimate source and don't research it any deeper.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 2008/07/24 - 2:17pm.
"......do I block or not block my brother's email's. He is obviously a lost individual who just doesn't seem to get it".
There are so many obvious things wrong with this statement that I don't know where to start. The fact that you are thinking about actually blocking your BROTHER'S email because he disagrees with your politics is astounding. He's lost, huh? You sound like a televangelist. "Bring all your troubles to the Obamessiah, HE can change your life. HE can heal the seas and HE can bring your brother into the fold, let us pray."
Is this the change and hope we've been waiting for? This is not the way to get people to vote for Obama. It's a way to get people to vote against you (and in return, him).
There are so many obvious things wrong with this statement that I don't know where to start.
He's my brother, who I would do anything for, as he would for me. We talk regularly and are close as you can be, but this is politics and he is purposely doing this to get my goat, so yes I would block his email address, and I would tell him why, but you have to realize there is a touch of humor going on with this, but you should also know I still feel the seriousness of this email campaign is a major problem, and it is something that I have yet see a Democrat do.
"The fact that you are thinking about actually blocking your BROTHER'S email because he disagrees with your politics is astounding."
Anony, Let me add one more point. Do you like to be lied to? I hope not but basically that is what the people who are sending these emails are doing, they are lying to us. If left unchecked, these lies can swing a campaign. This has nothing to do with disagreement over politics, and has everything to do with dismantling the truth.
Submitted by Paul Witt on Thu, 2008/07/24 - 3:14pm.
Don't block the email addresses of people that forward you this crap. Just do like I do and send a reply-to-all with the Snopes link. Embarrassing wingers to their entire email list is pretty fun.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 2008/07/24 - 3:37pm.
I am seeing an increasing number of questions being raised about whether, or not Obama is constitutionally eligible to be President due to uncertainty about where he was really born. It is not enough to be born to a U.S. citizen. Where you were actually born can cause you not to be eligible to be President. John McCain was forced by the Bushies in 2000 to prove he was eligible since he was actually born in the Panama Canal Zone, but on a U.S. Naval base. In 2007, McCain again offered proof that he did indeed met the constitutional requirements to be President. Obama needs to do the same and not allow this issue to fester like Kerry did with the swift boat accusations. It is taking on a life of its own like rumors do. Obama is making it look like he has something to hide. It is silly to let this drag on. The birth certificate posted on the on Kos and Obama sites is not adequate proof. Many are saying it is a forgery. The Republicans are already investigating this and will take him to court if necessary, but not until he is officially nominated. We could end up in Sept. or Oct. in a mess if the "Repugs" take him to court state by state, or the US Supreme Court. If one comma is wrong, the Democratic party could end up in late October with no Presidential candidate. McCain would win all the electoral votes by default. Obama's campaign and the Democratic Party need to hire someone independent of both to certify to the public that he is indeed eligible.
From a right-wing Filipino family too. She went to high school with my wife. Anybody who ever calls New Jersey a socialist state just needs to have a confab with any Piney in South Jersey. They make # 9 look like Louis Althusser.
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
Michelle Malangalangadingdong Malkin (you're good Andy!) is yet another anchor baby for some right wing dictator's friend. And a stupid, sick puppy to boot.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter S. Thompson
Funny, Hawaii wasn't a state* when I was born. It was when Obama was born there. This will be the first time ever that I'll be voting for someone younger than me.
(I think my doctor may be slightly younger than me for the first time, too, but I'm afraid to ask.)
A few years back I did push for a candidate who would have just made the time line if by any ridiculous chance he would have gotten elected. I never got the chance to vote for him because he dropped out. So does he count?
Submitted by redmondkr on Thu, 2008/07/24 - 4:48pm.
This will be the first time ever that I'll be voting for someone younger than me.
I hadn't thought about that before. This will be my fourth time. Bill Clinton is about six months younger than I am and Al Gore is a whopping two years my junior.
An analysis of federal records shows that the amount of money journalists contributed so far this election cycle favors Democrats by a 15:1 ratio over Republicans, with $225,563 going to Democrats, only $16,298 to Republicans .
Two-hundred thirty-five journalists donated to Democrats, just 20 gave to Republicans — a margin greater than 10-to-1. An even greater disparity, 20-to-1, exists between the number of journalists who donated to Barack Obama and John McCain.
Searches for other newsroom categories (reporters, correspondents, news editors, anchors, newspaper editors and publishers) produces 311 donors to Democrats to 30 donors to Republicans, a ratio of just over 10-to-1. In terms of money, $279,266 went to Dems, $20,709 to Republicans, a 14-to-1 ratio...
The contributions add up to $315,533 to Democrats and $22,656 to Republicans — most of that to Ron Paul, who was supported by many liberals as a stalking horse to John McCain, a la Rush Limbaugh's Operation Chaos with Hillary and Obama.
What is truly remarkable about the list is that, discounting contributions to Paul and Rudy Giuliani, who was a favorite son for many folks in the media, the totals look like this: $315,533 to Democrats, $3,150 to Republicans (four individuals who donated to McCain).
Let me repeat: $315,533 to Democrats, $3,150 to Republicans — a ratio of 100-to-1.
But of course, domination of the MSM is nothing compared to the power of spam.
Yes, and of course all their bosses, i.e. publishers and corporate media owners, are all flaming liberals. But they're so strapped they can't afford to donate anything, at least not anything that would show up on campaign finance records. And they would never try to influence any editorial policies regarding elections or policy.
(Is Hartmann a Democrat? Honestly, I don't know. Just curious.)
Submitted by Factchecker on Thu, 2008/07/24 - 8:54pm.
INOKIYAD. It might be pointed out too that journalists are some of the few who are in a position to actually see what's going on. It's their job. Could that explain it or are they just permanently brainwashed by their liberal college professors? Too bad content is controlled by publishers and corporate media owners whose elite interests are served by the GOP.
Right, but what job do the various journalists do at their paper. The crime beat, the sports page, the local garden club coverage, not every reporter covers the politics angle.
And in other news, Most bankers are GOP contributors. Non story at 11...
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 2008/07/25 - 12:45am.
The question is not was Hawaii a state when Obama was born. The Internet rumor is that he was actually born in Kenya, or Canada and was brought to Hawaii as a baby a few weeks old. The other rumor is that the birth certificate on his site and KOS is a forgery. Yes, he can and I am sure will have to PROVE he was born on U.S. soil. That is the Constitutional issue the Bushies forced John McCain to prove. Obama can possibly avoid ending in court by making all his documentation public immediately. If it goes to the Supreme Court the Democrats lose the election.
Truth:
Senator Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, after it became a state on August 21st, 1959. Obama became a citizen at birth under the first section of the 14th Amendment
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
As for proving that his birth certificate is not a forgery, that would take some rather elaborate measures to be effective, which would probably backfire by making the charges seem more credible. Kind of like opening a speech with "I want to assure all of you that I am not a child-molester."
This is truly the ugly xenophobic nativist head spinning on its puke covered body. I had it suggested to me by the resident right-wing relative that anyone who had spent any significant amount of time outside of the US should not be allowed to run for any office. Why? You could have been "brainwashed." So that night in Slovenia at the Balkan Farmer's Disco that I had a couple of too many Laskos was really the implanted memory the UDBA used to cover up the brainwashing. I really am on a mission take over the United States!
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
KOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK! This all hinges on you nuts trying to prove or simply claiming that his birth certificate is fake, something that you can no prove in the first place and something you need not prove in the second place. So you'll get 8 years worth out of KOOK mileage out of this crap. Go away.
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
Actually, he may be on to something. Do you REALLY know where you were born? Sure, your Mom and/or Dad told you. Sure you might have a copy of your original birth certificate. But it could all still be an elaborate hoax!
His parents may have been part of an elaborate plan, hatched in a seedy second-floor PI's office just off Bourbon Street by the CIA and LBJ, to get Hussein Obama in the White House. Saddam might be his REAL FATHER! Who really knows? Can you prove this isn't true?
That's need-to-know information only and you do not have a need to know!
You do know what we have to do with you now, correct? I'm so sorry. It's been a good run but we can't allow you to run around with that kind of information in your head. :-)
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter S. Thompson
Link...
Thanks for the ammo. I hope others aren't having this same problem as I, but if they are, I hope your link helps them also.
I'm thinking that any idiot (no offense to your brother...I have several relatives that suffer from idiocy as well) who believes ANYTHING they received via the internets/intertubes/"the google" wont have their opinion changed re: the future President Obama no matter how much truth you throw at them.
I feel sad for the poor pathetic people that shovel this kind of distortions. My doctor had heard from a drug rep. that "Obama was going to institute a "Doctor's Tax." Unfortunately, people seem to think that Newsmax or Rush is a legitimate source and don't research it any deeper.
"......do I block or not block my brother's email's. He is obviously a lost individual who just doesn't seem to get it".
There are so many obvious things wrong with this statement that I don't know where to start. The fact that you are thinking about actually blocking your BROTHER'S email because he disagrees with your politics is astounding. He's lost, huh? You sound like a televangelist. "Bring all your troubles to the Obamessiah, HE can change your life. HE can heal the seas and HE can bring your brother into the fold, let us pray."
Is this the change and hope we've been waiting for? This is not the way to get people to vote for Obama. It's a way to get people to vote against you (and in return, him).
As opposed to McCain, who is veeeerrrrryryyyy sleeeeeeeeepynnsnsnoreeeeeeeeeeee.
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
He's my brother, who I would do anything for, as he would for me. We talk regularly and are close as you can be, but this is politics and he is purposely doing this to get my goat, so yes I would block his email address, and I would tell him why, but you have to realize there is a touch of humor going on with this, but you should also know I still feel the seriousness of this email campaign is a major problem, and it is something that I have yet see a Democrat do.
"The fact that you are thinking about actually blocking your BROTHER'S email because he disagrees with your politics is astounding."
Anony, Let me add one more point. Do you like to be lied to? I hope not but basically that is what the people who are sending these emails are doing, they are lying to us. If left unchecked, these lies can swing a campaign. This has nothing to do with disagreement over politics, and has everything to do with dismantling the truth.
Don't block the email addresses of people that forward you this crap. Just do like I do and send a reply-to-all with the Snopes link. Embarrassing wingers to their entire email list is pretty fun.
I am seeing an increasing number of questions being raised about whether, or not Obama is constitutionally eligible to be President due to uncertainty about where he was really born. It is not enough to be born to a U.S. citizen. Where you were actually born can cause you not to be eligible to be President. John McCain was forced by the Bushies in 2000 to prove he was eligible since he was actually born in the Panama Canal Zone, but on a U.S. Naval base. In 2007, McCain again offered proof that he did indeed met the constitutional requirements to be President. Obama needs to do the same and not allow this issue to fester like Kerry did with the swift boat accusations. It is taking on a life of its own like rumors do. Obama is making it look like he has something to hide. It is silly to let this drag on. The birth certificate posted on the on Kos and Obama sites is not adequate proof. Many are saying it is a forgery. The Republicans are already investigating this and will take him to court if necessary, but not until he is officially nominated. We could end up in Sept. or Oct. in a mess if the "Repugs" take him to court state by state, or the US Supreme Court. If one comma is wrong, the Democratic party could end up in late October with no Presidential candidate. McCain would win all the electoral votes by default. Obama's campaign and the Democratic Party need to hire someone independent of both to certify to the public that he is indeed eligible.
Obama was born in Hawaii. Do you have some evidence to the contrary?
Exactly. And every kid born of "illegal" parents whose ass gets spanked on American soil is also eligible to be President.
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
.... until Stacey Campfield gets it changed. :)
And every kid born of "illegal" parents whose ass gets spanked on American soil is also eligible to be President.
Which makes Michelle Malangalangadingdong Malkin eligible.
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From a right-wing Filipino family too. She went to high school with my wife. Anybody who ever calls New Jersey a socialist state just needs to have a confab with any Piney in South Jersey. They make # 9 look like Louis Althusser.
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
Hey my right-wing brother lives in South Jersey!
um.. well, I guess that explains it. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Michelle Malangalangadingdong Malkin (you're good Andy!) is yet another anchor baby for some right wing dictator's friend. And a stupid, sick puppy to boot.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter S. Thompson
of America.
Here are some quick facts for you about Hawaii.
Obama hasn't got to prove anything. His birth certificate is as good as John McCain's or George W. Bush's.
Next...
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"I never said I wasn't a brat..." ~ Talidapali
Funny, Hawaii wasn't a state* when I was born. It was when Obama was born there. This will be the first time ever that I'll be voting for someone younger than me.
(I think my doctor may be slightly younger than me for the first time, too, but I'm afraid to ask.)
*Neither was Alaska.
Same here.
A few years back I did push for a candidate who would have just made the time line if by any ridiculous chance he would have gotten elected. I never got the chance to vote for him because he dropped out. So does he count?
I hadn't thought about that before. This will be my fourth time. Bill Clinton is about six months younger than I am and Al Gore is a whopping two years my junior.
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I blame the right-wing corporate media:
An analysis of federal records shows that the amount of money journalists contributed so far this election cycle favors Democrats by a 15:1 ratio over Republicans, with $225,563 going to Democrats, only $16,298 to Republicans .
Two-hundred thirty-five journalists donated to Democrats, just 20 gave to Republicans — a margin greater than 10-to-1. An even greater disparity, 20-to-1, exists between the number of journalists who donated to Barack Obama and John McCain.
Searches for other newsroom categories (reporters, correspondents, news editors, anchors, newspaper editors and publishers) produces 311 donors to Democrats to 30 donors to Republicans, a ratio of just over 10-to-1. In terms of money, $279,266 went to Dems, $20,709 to Republicans, a 14-to-1 ratio...
The contributions add up to $315,533 to Democrats and $22,656 to Republicans — most of that to Ron Paul, who was supported by many liberals as a stalking horse to John McCain, a la Rush Limbaugh's Operation Chaos with Hillary and Obama.
What is truly remarkable about the list is that, discounting contributions to Paul and Rudy Giuliani, who was a favorite son for many folks in the media, the totals look like this: $315,533 to Democrats, $3,150 to Republicans (four individuals who donated to McCain).
Let me repeat: $315,533 to Democrats, $3,150 to Republicans — a ratio of 100-to-1.
But of course, domination of the MSM is nothing compared to the power of spam.
Yes, and of course all their bosses, i.e. publishers and corporate media owners, are all flaming liberals. But they're so strapped they can't afford to donate anything, at least not anything that would show up on campaign finance records. And they would never try to influence any editorial policies regarding elections or policy.
(Is Hartmann a Democrat? Honestly, I don't know. Just curious.)
Is Hartmann a Democrat?
You're joking, right?
THEY DO IT TOO!!!!
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
INOKIYAD. It might be pointed out too that journalists are some of the few who are in a position to actually see what's going on. It's their job. Could that explain it or are they just permanently brainwashed by their liberal college professors? Too bad content is controlled by publishers and corporate media owners whose elite interests are served by the GOP.
Right, but what job do the various journalists do at their paper. The crime beat, the sports page, the local garden club coverage, not every reporter covers the politics angle.
And in other news, Most bankers are GOP contributors. Non story at 11...
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The question is not was Hawaii a state when Obama was born. The Internet rumor is that he was actually born in Kenya, or Canada and was brought to Hawaii as a baby a few weeks old. The other rumor is that the birth certificate on his site and KOS is a forgery. Yes, he can and I am sure will have to PROVE he was born on U.S. soil. That is the Constitutional issue the Bushies forced John McCain to prove. Obama can possibly avoid ending in court by making all his documentation public immediately. If it goes to the Supreme Court the Democrats lose the election.
the birth certificate on his site and KOS is a forgery
Have the right-wing bloggers examined the fonts?
That's it!
Hurry and go check the kerning Charles Johnson!
This might save the pajamas crowd from a complete bankruptcy and shutdown.
internet rumor = right winger nuts lying and wishing and forgetting to wipe.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter S. Thompson
Go away troll.
Link...
Truth:
Senator Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, after it became a state on August 21st, 1959. Obama became a citizen at birth under the first section of the 14th Amendment
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
Not to worry, fightthesmears.com is on it.
Link...
As for proving that his birth certificate is not a forgery, that would take some rather elaborate measures to be effective, which would probably backfire by making the charges seem more credible. Kind of like opening a speech with "I want to assure all of you that I am not a child-molester."
Oh no! I may have started another rumor!
-Sugarfatpie
"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin
This is truly the ugly xenophobic nativist head spinning on its puke covered body. I had it suggested to me by the resident right-wing relative that anyone who had spent any significant amount of time outside of the US should not be allowed to run for any office. Why? You could have been "brainwashed." So that night in Slovenia at the Balkan Farmer's Disco that I had a couple of too many Laskos was really the implanted memory the UDBA used to cover up the brainwashing. I really am on a mission take over the United States!
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
KOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK! This all hinges on you nuts trying to prove or simply claiming that his birth certificate is fake, something that you can no prove in the first place and something you need not prove in the second place. So you'll get 8 years worth out of KOOK mileage out of this crap. Go away.
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
Actually, he may be on to something. Do you REALLY know where you were born? Sure, your Mom and/or Dad told you. Sure you might have a copy of your original birth certificate. But it could all still be an elaborate hoax!
His parents may have been part of an elaborate plan, hatched in a seedy second-floor PI's office just off Bourbon Street by the CIA and LBJ, to get Hussein Obama in the White House. Saddam might be his REAL FATHER! Who really knows? Can you prove this isn't true?
I have been completely sentient since the moment I was born and remember every moment of my life. Prove that this isn't true.
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
I wanna know who you've been talking to mister!
That's need-to-know information only and you do not have a need to know!
You do know what we have to do with you now, correct? I'm so sorry. It's been a good run but we can't allow you to run around with that kind of information in your head. :-)
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter S. Thompson
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