This Tuesday, July 27, 7:00 p.m. at the Main Assembly Room, City County Building, the fate of Knoxville's chickens (and future chickens) are in the delicate balance of our City Council Members. On June 15th, City Council Members hashed out the newly proposed chicken ordinance whether to legalize hens within the city limits of Knoxville.
Though many mainstream Knoxvillagers didn't become aware of The Great Chicken Debate until that night, the Knoxville Urban Hen Coalition (KUHC) has diligently worked to educate about and gather support for chickens.
The KUHC has done everything in its power to be out in the open about their cause. The KUHC group began online on February 2009 at the Knoxville Permaculture Guild. Shelagh Leutwiler posted the first comment on February 25th, and Brandy Slaybaugh started the first online discussion on April 21st. WBIR documented the first meeting on April 19th and made quite an effort to follow the story, but when KUHC began negotiations with the animal control board, things seemed to quiet down with the news stations for a while. Over the past 17 months, the KUHC has been featured on all three news channels, The Knox News Sentinel, The Metro Pulse, The Knoxville Journal, The West Side Shopper News, The Agrarian Urbanites, Facebook, Twitter, etc. The KUHC has attended two First Friday's with one being the screening of the movie Mad City Chickens at Remedy Coffee House and was sponsored by Three Rivers Market. The KUHC has also been present at many Saturday Market Square Farmers' Markets to gather signatures, to educate, and to dispel the myths associated with backyard chickens.
The KUHC has been like the Who's on Horton's dust speck screaming, "We are here!" There has been plenty of opportunity for dissenters to speak up, but instead, after a year and five months, a few people are trying to create a ruckus. Most of the arguments, fears, and concerns being raised are easily answered if folks would listen, take the time to go visit a chicken coop, or talk to a person has no more than the ordinances limit of 6 hens. Even if folks didn't know about the KUHC, they did after June 15th, and the name Chad Hellwinckel is easy to find in the phone book. Since June 15th, neither the KUHC nor had Chad Hellwinckel received one phone call or e-mail to clarify any questions, comments, or fears. NOT ONE! Besides Chris Woodhull, no other City Council Members have requested a coop tour either.
A beardless Chad at the first KUHC meeting.
One woman stated, "I talked to my aunt and uncle who raised hundreds of chickens and they said..." Well, yes, I imagine those chickens did smell, and I bet they did have rats. That's because your aunt and uncle ran, what I would consider, a commercial or industrial type set-up. Now, if said woman would have contacted the KUHC or called Chad Helwinckel (We understand that in 2010 not everyone has e-mail.), someone would have been more than happy to show their coop and their girls. You know why? Chicken owners are proud of their chickens, and because chickens are cool, friendly, quiet food producing creatures who liked to get pet and picked-up. I'd rather have 6 cooped chickens next door than a pit bull with a chain to a tree.
Chickens are useful creatures. 6 chickens do not smell. 6 chickens produce less poop than one medium sized dog per day. The poop isn't like dog or cat poop. It's kind of watery and dries out and turns to soil in a few hours. And let me reiterate, it doesn't smell! I know- I've cleaned out the coop at Beardsley Farm as an AmeriCorps volunteer. A well kept coop doesn't stink. If someone goes to long without cleaning their coop, they'll pay the price because it is kind of gross, but only to the person cleaning the coop. It doesn't stink outside the coop. I keep talking about the poop because this seems to be a reoccurring fear amongst objectors.
The other great fear is rats. "If people don't keep their food locked up, we're going to have rats running around everywhere." This fear came from the same woman, whose neighbors leave cat food out. She claims to have rats in her yard due to the cat food, and she is afraid that if people get chickens, the rat populations will multiply. At $7 a bag for feed, if people decide to supplement their girls' diets, then I'm pretty sure that they are going to make sure that feed is properly contained. Also most people who go through the efforts of paying $50 for the permit to build a coop, buy the materials for the coop, then purchase their chickens are going to keep care not to allow rats to mix in with their girls. The owners don't want rats in with their chickens. All the chicken owners I know (city and county), love, I mean LOVE their chickens like pets.
Besides, if there is a problem, guess what? There is an ordinance that gives you the right to call Animal Control and Officer Pappas. But according to Animal Control in other cities whose ordinances have been in place for ten years, they have had very few calls. If you would like to call any of these people yourself, the information is at KUHC under download MYTHS AND FACTS.
From Chad Hellwinckel at the Knoxville Urban Hen Coalition: "This is the final vote. And it should be suspenseful! City officials worked out the final details of the ordinance Friday. Please download the revised ordinance, read it over at the Coalition page , and post any comments you may have on it!
Please mark your calendars! I know the vote has been delayed a couple of times before, but we are really going to try to get a vote this coming Tuesday.
A large crowd last time really helped. Please come and bring a neighbor!"
If you are unable to attend the meeting on Tuesday, July 27th at 7:00 p.m., please take a minute to phone, write or e-mail your representatives and the at-large representatives to voice your approval of the ordinance to legalize hens in Knoxville. If you don't approve, then please educate yourself before Tuesday's vote or try to visit a coop. At this point, I don't think the KUHC can get you in to see one, but dissenters have had 17 months to try and find a real good reason not to approve this ordinance. Let's just say, I haven't seen one yet.
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Every time this topic comes up I think of this song...
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Can you summarize the changes
Can you summarize the changes ya'll have worked out since Council passed this on first reading?
Summary
The big things that have changed:
The charge for the building permit went from $25 to $50
The number hens went from 12 maximum to 6 maximum
The person who gets the permit has to be a resident of the address that is applying.
Got rid of the word "pet" to avoid the 4 animal per household ordinance.
More verbiage on "rodent resistant" for the coop.
Outdoor food must be stored in weather and animal resistant containers.
You can no longer store raw manure on site; it must be composted.
The ordinance is posted at the KUHC...I'll post a PDF at The Agrarian Urbanites. Give me a few minutes.
Great Question. Thank you.
hen ordinance
I meant to post the PDF on the original blog post the first time around and forgot. It's there now at the very bottom of the post. (Link in previous comment).
Thanks for reading.
Tracie Hellwinckel
Very helpful in understanding
Very helpful in understanding where we are. Thanks, and good luck with Council.
Fee
Is that a permit to build a chicken coop? Why did it get raised? I thought one of the reasons to have chickens was to save money. Even $25 will be a stretch for some folks.
How about giving a chickenship for folks eligible for food stamps?
ordinance fee
The change in the fee came from the building codes people/enforcement. The minimum fee is $50 for any accessory building on your property, even a shed. A person is even supposed to get a permit for a dog house...and that's $50.
Now, who gets a permit for a doghouse? No one.
Personally (not speaking for the coalition), yes, this fee is unjust for the poor. Trying to explain "food justice" goes right over many people's heads.
Each time the ordinance has gone into "negotiations", the original ordinance looses ground. So to keep from any more changes, the ordinance needs to go to a vote. It's a very solid ordinance; one that allows changes to begin.
You raise a very good point, and the KUHC has brought this point to the attention of building codes and others involved with the ordinance changes. KUHC tried, but it's pretty much out of their hands.
Thanks for your comment.
If I understand correctly,
If I understand correctly, you must obtain a building permit for anything over $100.
Is there an accessible copy
Is there an accessible copy of the new/changed ordinance available? It was my understanding the vote was put off twice so that Woodhull could speak with the necessary people that might have relevant input. I wonder what the outcome was from those discussions and if all areas of the city were contacted. I noticed the Neighborhood Advisory Council (NAC) was split on the decision to allow chickens in residential neighborhoods back in April.
new ordinance
Yes, Chris held two "stakeholders" meetings. Those meetings resulted in the revised ordinance that goes in front of City Council tomorrow.
The changes to the ordinance are posted in an earlier comment and the new ordinance can be found at KUHC where it says in big caps DOWNLOAD NEW REVISED ORDINANCE or there is a PDF at The Agrarian Urbanites at the very end of the article.
Hope this helps.
Are the residents in Sequoyah
Are the residents in Sequoyah Hills, West Hills, Deane Hill, Westmoreland, Westwood, Forest Brook, Kingston Woods, Holston Hills, etc. aware of this ordinance? Or, do all or most of these neighborhoods have covenants not allowing chickens? Or, do the residents of these area agree to having chickens?
Rachel, will chickens be allowed in the Island Home Boulevard community if this ordinance passes?
agrarianurbanite, why is the modified ordinance not available on the city's web-site? Or is it and just not easy to find?
new ordinance
I don't work for the city, so I don't know if they even posted the original ordinance, but KUHC has consistently posted it.
As far as the neighborhoods you mentioned: I know people in some of those neighborhoods who already have chickens. I don't know if any of those neighborhoods have homeowners' associations that have set such covenants. They may have neighborhood associations, but I don't think neighborhood associations are above the ordinance.
Hens should be allowed in Island Home...I know several folks over there that want them and have helped with the lobby.
I don't work for the city, so
Yes, the ordinance is attached to the City's agenda on their web-site.
It was previously discussed by you, Rachel, and Hildegard that convenants would likely override the ordinance.
ooops, meant to say that I
ooops, meant to say that I think neighborhood assoc...NOT that I don't think...sorry.
Rachel, will chickens be
Rachel, will chickens be allowed in the Island Home Boulevard community if this ordinance passes?
Yes, the ordinance would apply city wide.
I've not heard a word against it around here. In fact, I believe some of my neighbors have helped lobby for this.
BTW, one of our neighbors had a chicken (now deceased) for years, and as far as I know, nobody cared. I find all the fuss about this kinda ridiculous, if you want to know the truth. A few hens in coops aren't exactly a big threat to anybody.
I do think homeowners' covenants are "on top of the law"; however, few City neighborhoods have them. They're mostly a creature of suburban subdivisions.
Yes, the ordinance would
Yes, the ordinance would apply city wide.
Yes, I am aware of this fact. I was curious if there was any neighborhood covenant that would not allow chickens in the Island Home Boulevard community.
No; we don't have
No; we don't have neighborhood covenants.
Island Home
R.
It completely slipped my mind...Island Home was one of the neighborhood groups that sent KUHC a letter of support.
t.
I don't think our
I don't think our neighborhood board sent a letter. I missed the last meeting, but checked the minutes, and although this was discussed, there's no record of any vote.
I assume some of our neighbors got together and signed a letter, but that would not be official neighborhood position unless it was approved by the board.
letter
KUHC received the letter several months ago and it was approved by the board members.
I'm checking on this. It's
I'm checking on this. It's not reflected in our minutes. I have an email copy of a letter one of our board members drafted asking others to sign, but no indication that the board formally sent anything (this person indicated that she was a board member on her personal letter, which she really should not have done).
It's possible I missed something; will let you know what I find out. It's not really that big a deal except that we are very sensitive in this neighborhood about not saying we are taking a position as a neighborhood without board approval.
we are very sensitive in this
we are very sensitive in this neighborhood about not saying we are taking a position as a neighborhood without board approval
That's because you all secretly wish you lived on the Westside.
You don't know how much we
You don't know how much we try to emulate the westside in all we do...
BTW, I have cleared this up. At least one of our board members (maybe more) wrote a personal letter in favor of the ordinance. She included the info that she was a board member.
However, our board took no action on this and the Island Home Park Neighborhood Association did NOT send a letter from the organization. It's easy to see how the urban hen folks might have confused this, but I hope they will be careful about how they speak about support from our neighborhood.
You're right. I just talked
You're right. I just talked to Chad and he said it was individual letter(s) signed by board members. He is aware that it is not a "neighborhood" letter.
I should get off my computer every once in a while and, maybe, not listen with 1/2 an ear. heh heh.
Again, it's not that huge a
Again, it's not that huge a deal; I just didn't want the neighborhood to hear that we had officially endorsed something we hadn't.
Again, I totally support what ya'll are doing. I'm sorry I didn't take the time to write a letter myself.
What do you have against
What do you have against chickens? In Sequoyah Hills, Island Home, or anywhere else? As long as they don't crap in my yard or have roosters crowing at 5:30AM, I couldn't care less. Especially if a neighbor wants to give me some fresh eggs.
Home to roost...
Good grief, isn't someone going to make a "pecking order" joke?
Or that KUHC, when said,
Or that KUHC, when said, sounds like a chicken.
Objections
I know of one large neighborhood group that has voiced some concerns and voted to oppose it. One of the issues they raised was that hens stop laying after 2-3 years and what will happen to the hens then? Another one of their issues was Swine Flu. Should be an interesting discussion.
Swine Flu
There are FAQ's at the Knoxville Urban Hen Coalition page, but for those of you who may not wander over there, it states:
Myth #2: Backyard hens spread disease.
Fact: The Manager of the Environmental Health Division of the Knox County Health Department and Chair of the Animal Control Board (Ronnie Nease) independently sought the advice of Dr John New of the University of Tennessee’s Vet school, who is an expert on human-animal pathogens. Dr New went on record saying that a small number of backyard hens pose absolutely no additional threat to human health.
Dr John New phone number: 974-5570
Ronnie Nease phone number: 215-5200
Covenants
One's deed would refer to covenants and restrictions if applicable. It's conceivable they were in place in the 20's in a well planned out neighborhood like SH or IHP. They didn't get widespread until the mid 1900's. (gosh that seems so long ago when put that way).
Permit
I'm pretty sure one could put together a servicable chicken coop for under $100. So maybe the fee wouldn't be a factor unless one was building a trophy coop.
Congrats to the Urban Hen
Congrats to the Urban Hen Coalition for getting this through City Council tonight. Unfortunately, there were enough amendments to turn tonight into a first reading, so it will require one more vote by Council. That one should be pretty easy, tho.
Then if I understand correctly, the zoning ordinance must be amended to allow hens in a residential zone (the ordinance voted on tonight was the animal ordinance). THAT will have to go to MPC, then to Council for two readings. But I think that should be fairly smooth sailing, although it will take awhile.