CNN holds out

Good job by Clinton tonight ..congrats to her folks

But now we move on..Nev the 19th...SC the 26th

But by golly we start our turn Jan 16th

Like I've said we gonna do sum votin this time.

Rachel Maddow had the exchange of the night. She told Matthews that the boorish, sexist manner in which Matthews and Mrs. Greenspan specifically denigrated Clinton in the wake of "the tears" may have been what caused a late break for Clinton - a late break that the polls would have missed.

Anecdote, not evidence, but that's sorta the Matthews Standard...

I mean this whole weekend we see people like Andrea Mitchell and Chris Matthews salivating over how the Democrats "rejected the Clintons" and want to puke. I am for Obama not because I am against Clinton (either one), but because I am for Obama. That's it. I think he is the best of the big 3 dem candidates. Would I be happy to vote for Hillary or Edwards in the general? Hell yeah. Did I think Bill Clinton was a great President? Yes. And I think Hillary would probably be pretty good too. This whole media narrative sickened me.

I have been an Obama supporter since 04, gave money to him this year, own the t-shirt, etc., etc. But the sexist bullsh-t these past days (I am a woman) from the media is making me root for her to win this tonight. The only thing I dread if she wins tonight is the inevitable story from the media that this proves that white america really won't vote for a black man, the resulting made-up defection of Obama's made-up new found black support, etc., etc.

Rejection of these empty media narratives would be a great start.

...and Matthews is still at it. "Is the appeal of Hillary Clinton going to be a mix of her strength and empathy for her as a woman...?"

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With the possible exception of things like box scores, race results, and stock market tabulations, there is no such thing as Objective Journalism. The phrase itself is a pompous contradiction in terms.

The Des Moines Register Iowa Poll is a very deep poll that tracks 800 caucus voters in each party..plus the poll gets its sample from voter rolls which DO have cell phone numbers.

I had confidence in that poll & it picked Obama.

However,the polls in NH were not as deep nor did they have cell phone numbers.Thats why they missed the shift to Clinton.

Futhermore,women broke late & hard for Clinton.I think this is a result of Hillary's battles in NH.Bill may have been the comback kid in '92 but Hillary took all the punches.We know her..We like her..& she's one tough cookie...we're voting for her.

I said in a post yesterday that the dust up in the Persian Gulf could shift some independents that were on fence between Obama & McCain...to McCain.I think that was a factor.

Organization was also a key..The Clintons had been here before..put it together again & showed its muscle..on the ground.

On the other hand,Obama's ground game was built on big mo & ole mo aint much for muscle.

Finally,there came a time in the '68 race that RFK finally realized folks were voting for HIM & not JFK.

For Hillary..tonight was night that she realized..folks voted for me not Bill.

The first pitch in our primary is Jan 16th.

Doesn't that fact that Hillary continually rubber-stamped the Bush agenda, never once opposing the sucm in the White House on any issue, mean anything to anyone in this party? Particularly the women??

The hypocrisy level of the Democratic party is rising to GOP level fast.

All I can say is, if Hillary is the nominee, and the Repig wins in November, there will be no vote fraud to blame. Only the Dems that lost their minds and went and voted without them.

"The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open."

How is it that a candidate who is continually boasting of her 35 years of "experience" has only found her "voice" in the last three days?

Just wondering.

Brian A.
I'd rather be cycling.

Particularly the women??

I thought it was only evangelicals who blamed women for everything?

Moral of the story that people (including me) seem to forget sometimes: Never count a Clinton out.

(Recall that Bill Clinton had some of his highest job approval ratings -- while he was being impeached!)

Particularly the women??

Only the Dems that lost their minds and went and voted without them.

Only the Dems You mean the women you refer to earlier?

Do you still think they should even be allowed to vote?

I think it's the Clintons, partly.

Even without Carville and Begala, they're good.

But I also think it's the anomaly known as Iowa.

The question is, can anybody trust any of the polling now?

The world wonders.

I think the age demographic on this primary is more representative of what the future elections will be like than what it was in Iowa.

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I think bill young's got it. That and the backlash for the way Hillary has been treated the last few days. Good for her. The race will be better for vetting the right candidate if she and Obama both stay in for at least a few more rounds.

So I'm watching the news tonight and they're all about Clinton snatching Victory from the Jaws of Defeat and I'm like.... Dude, she lost Iowa by what - 3 points? Did that mean the race was over? Now she wins NH by 3 points.... Surprise?

What a bunch of Drama Kings.

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I'm thinking it's like when a stock price plummets because the earnings went up 15% and the analysts were predicting 17. Just because a candidate doesn't meet your inflated expectations doesn't mean that they are doomed, doomed I tell you.

Were the pundits so dramatic about McCain's Doom when he got 13% in Iowa?

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Less is the new More - Karrie Jacobs

Gary tends to lower the overall KnoxViews IQ when he starts acting like a child.

That means sooo much coming from someone who calls himself "captainkona" and has a cute cartoon attached to his comments. Is that your first name or last name?

What's interesting is that Obama used John Kerry's endorsement in South Carolina.

What kind of strategy is that? Using Bob Dole or another candidate who lost in a general would have the same effect for a Republican. None.

Couldn't Obama find any southern Democrats to endorse him? Does Kerry have any pull in South Carolina? If he doesn't, why use him at all in the state?