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Aug 31 2015
01:20 pm

From the Mountain Press:

Sheriff Seals tells SC Tea Party of suspicious activity

By JASON DAVIS
Editor

SEVIERVILLE — Sevier County Sheriff Ron Seals told the Sevier County Tea Party last week that some of his officers, working in an off-duty capacity as private security, contacted the U.S. Department of Homeland Security after seeing troubling behavior at Tanger Outlet Center in Sevierville.

Prompted by an audience member’s statement about women in burqas spending long periods of time in shops without making purchases, the sheriff indicated officers had seen similar behaviors.

“We have some officers up there … they’re officers, but they hire them, off-duty police officers, primarily to work traffic, and they’ve noticed the same lady running around up there … taking pictures with a camera,” Seals said. “We got the information. We passed it on to Homeland Security. They’ve addressed it, and I don’t think anything else actually came of it.

“We thought maybe they’re doing that to maybe see what days there’s a big crowd up there.”

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John Sevier's picture

Wow.

I'm not sure which is worse: 1. The people in the TP meeting making ridiculous xenophobic assertions, 2. The Sevier County Sheriff speaking at the TP meeting, making ridiculous xenophobic assertions, 3. The Mountain Press reporter, who quoted and printed the ridiculous, xenophobic assertions without so much as a single disclaimer noting that they had been unable to verify any of the quoted ridiculous, xenophobic assertions, or 4. The long string of ridiculous, xenophobic comments below the article, with people making tough-guy threats against the President, each other, and everyone in between.

R. Neal's picture

Was thinking the same thing.

Was thinking the same thing. Yikes!

Also, wasn't using Facebook and real names for comments supposed to keep things more civil?

Bbeanster's picture

The Mountain Press reporter

The Mountain Press reporter is also the editor, evidently.

John Sevier's picture

They're in the comments, too,

They're in the comments, too, defending the report for just quoting what was said in a public meeting. They're right that they should quote and report, but when it's such obvious nonsense, it shouldn't go without at least mentioning the lack of independent verification. Otherwise, it gets spread around as the truth, with them on the hook for credibility. "The Mountain Press reported that..."

Sandra Clark's picture

Seems to me

the reporter/editor did a service by covering the meeting and quoting the sherrif. Not zes job (couldn't resist) to tell us the guy is nuts. His words speak for themselves.

Bbeanster's picture

Disagree, Clark.There's a

Disagree, Clark.

There's a difference between a reporter and a stenographer.

Who What Where When are necessary (although the where and when are kind of dispensable here). But the real story is the 'Why.' Wouldn't have compromised the reporters integrity a'tall to approach Seals after the meeting and ask where he got his information. Might have gotten him on Hoss's shitlist, but I always figured that's where reporters were supposed to be.

John Sevier's picture

It absolutely is his or her

It absolutely is his or her job to tell us the guy is nuts. Read the damn comments. People believe this nonsense. One of the biggest holes in modern reporting is the willingness to let public figures say whatever the hell they want, and either leave it unchallenged or only challenge it via a 'he said, she said' scenario.

The result is that lies and misinformation are spread either unabated or with false equivalence to the truth.

This is why so many people said they got their news from "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart." Stewart's writers would at least take the time to compare politicians' statements against either verifiable fact or what the same politicians said six months or two years ago. Sure, it's great for comedy, but even better for the press to actually bother to fact-check what they report on, rather than expect the readers and viewers to figure it out based on "His words speak for themselves."

Andy Axel's picture

Yep

One of the biggest holes in modern reporting is the willingness to let public figures say whatever the hell they want, and either leave it unchallenged or only challenge it via a 'he said, she said' scenario.

Back in 2006, the political editor for the Tennessean said as much when NPR was asking her about the Bob Corker ads that charged that Harold Ford wanted to give abortifacient drugs to high school girls (which was even uglier than the Playboy party ads, if you ask me).

"We report what the campaigns say, and then let the readers decide the truth" was roughly her response. That broadcast was promptly memory-holed, too.

I couldn't cancel my Tennessean subscription fast enough.

Rachel's picture

I get what Sandra is saying,

I get what Sandra is saying, but I think she's being too much of a purist (for lack of a better word). No, reporters shouldn't editorialize. We didn't need the reporter to tell us the speaker was nuts. But context is important, and some info about where the speaker got his information and an attempt to verify it would have added that context to the story.

Mike Knapp's picture

Echoes, reverberations, voices

SMDH. This is what happens when one listens to the likes of Savage, Beck, Levine, Limbaugh, Severin and Maloney. What this sheriff said, his disposition and affect are of someone who has listened to thousands of hours of right wing hate talk. Paranoid, scared, deeply misinformed, wrong, deaf and blind.

As far as the reporting of dichotomies and quotes by stenographers in the media - is this a reason why a place like this gets thousands of hits per week. What would Ida Tarbell or Ray Baker have to say about today's media?

He doesn't give the impression of having read any of this.

Bbeanster's picture

I just remembered "Roland

I just remembered "Roland Hedley" stories.

Report what happened; both sides, if two sides are involved involved, and then say, 'The truth lies somewhere in between.'

In this case, nobody was calling bullshit on this bullshit.

glostik's picture

Tomorrow in KNS...

Apparently the KNS interviewed my friend, Tarek El-Messidi, regarding this article…should be in the morning paper. He is a good one-perfect for a response to this.

Hildegard's picture

I sure would enjoy watching a

I sure would enjoy watching a public debate between him and Mary Willocks, expert on Mooslims from that five-week class in the church basement.

Hildegard's picture

I told this story on FB. We

I told this story on FB. We had relatives from France in this summer. Paris, to be precise, and a part of the inner city that Fox viewers were told was one of the many "no go" zones infesting the city (which don't exist except in the fantasies of men who battle alien abductors and Hogzilla). One of the relatives (an in-law) is actually a Moroccan citizen (i.e., Arab, Muslim). While they were with us, they wanted to shop. I mean, that is what the U.S. means to Europeans: cool stuff, cheap, to take back home in big carry-on luggage. And if you are from o'er yonder, the uniquely American size and sprawl of American shopping complexes like Tanger Outlets would inspire some Facebook selfies and Twitter pics. So they went to Tanger, and they took big suitcases on wheels b/c they meant business. I mean actual, buying-stuff business. The Moroccan relative filled an entire suitcase with shoes b/c you cannot find athletic shoes in Paris for what you pay at Tanger. He couldn't be happier.

You would think that these idiots would be happy that Sevier County is drawing international shoppers with lots of money to spend and luggage to fill. And also for the record, the impression our relatives had of people from this area was that everyone is so nice and helpful. Glad they didn't notice the hairy eyeballs of bubba militiamen.

Bbeanster's picture

Today's Mountain Press

Today's Mountain Press followup:

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Mike Knapp's picture

Hamilton county Sheriff also got the memo

Louie Brogdon reporting in the Times Free Press
Islam is communism with a god, Sheriff Jim Hammond says

Sheriff Jim Hammond told the Hamilton County Pachyderm Club on Monday that Islam is "communism with a god."

Hammond, who spent three years training police officers in the Middle East and previously served as a chaplain's yeoman in the U.S. Navy, said that Islam is "the strongest infringement that we've had in our country as a constitutional government since communism."

... He plans to speak with Tennessee sheriffs soon to help monitor activity of Muslims throughout the state. And he wants to meet with education leaders to discuss mentions of Islam and Christianity in textbooks.

Jamie Satterfield's picture

Sports background

Jason Davis was the sports editor (son of Jim Davis, prior sports editor). Sports folks are accustomed to reporting, for instance, a coach's comments or a player's comments. Throw them into a news story and they often struggle with the analytical, follow-up questioning required. We see it all the time, and our news reporters/editors often give an assist in helping our sports folks handle the different approach required. What I felt was the "real" story, if you will, that neither the Mountain Press nor us probed is this contacting of homeland security about the muslim shopper. What did homeland security do with this info? How often do they get such info? Do they direct the locals to report this stuff? These were off duty guys working security for Tanger. Yet, they did not inform Tanger management of this reporting to Homeland Security or the info itself. What is Tanger's policy on the role of security? Of course, there is outrage at Seals' comments. But the news here to be explored is whether the sheriff's department is targeting Muslims. Clearly, the Hamilton sheriff and his agency are profiling, rather openly judging by the Times-Press story. I think we in the media have developed a template - some official says something outrageous about Muslims, call up a token Muslim group and, boom, we are done. This is in no way a criticism of the Mountain Press, KNS, the Chattanooga paper, etc... but I think it may be time for us to toss the template and truly tackle the news in all of this.

Rachel's picture

This. ^^^

This. ^^^

John Sevier's picture

What a novel idea

"I think we in the media have developed a template - some official says something outrageous about Muslims, call up a token Muslim group and, boom, we are done. This is in no way a criticism of the Mountain Press, KNS, the Chattanooga paper, etc... but I think it may be time for us to toss the template and truly tackle the news in all of this."

It shouldn't be a novel idea. And it should be a criticism of all those news organizations and more.

What you described is the typical reporter's template in way too many cases: you report that someone says "A," then you find someone else who will say "not A," and you leave it at that. It's the whole false equivalency thing. With a little research, you might just find that either "A" or "not A" is complete nonsense and doesn't merit equal time. (Reports on climate change do not need to include representation from the denier camp.) In other cases, you might even figure out that both are nonsense, and secret (or not-so-secret if you just look for it) option "B" is actually the truth.

It's time to throw out the template altogether. It obfuscates through oversimplification.

The story from Sevier County is likely far more complicated than any of the narratives that people are looking for. The Sheriff and the people at the Tea Party meeting are looking for a narrative where all Muslims are dangerous and trying to destroy America. Others are looking for a narrative where the Sheriff and Tea Party people are a bunch of narrow-minded rednecks, and all the Muslims are wonderful people.

The truth is that you've got a clash of two fairly extreme but mostly not violent religious ideologies bumping up against one another.

The unenlightened xenophobic Christians can't comprehend that constitutionally, people have a right to go about their business, even when they are not Christians. They want America to be free ...to be evangelical Christians. That's wrong. People running around the outlet mall in burqas have every right to exercise their own faith. Still, let's be honest about the fact that a religious dogma that says women are inherently sinful and therefore must not be physically seen in public is no more enlightened than the ideas of the xenophobic Christians. That sort of misogyny is really better suited for the middle-ages, isn't it?

Then, underlying all of this, you have a few of these xenophobic Christians who would like nothing more than an opportunity to beat down some of these Muslims, and you also have a few xenophobic Muslims who really are out there looking for an opportunity to do something horrible, as instructed by the latest ISIS YouTube videos.

In between, you have the rest of us -the vast majority of us- alternately wondering what's going on and wishing that the extremists of all sorts would just get a grip and dial it down for while. None of that nuance is going to come out if reporting just continues to follow the uncritical "A" and "not A" template. Without that nuance, the reporting leaves the readers thinking that the world is primarily made up of one extreme or another, instead of realizing that most of us are actually in the middle, and if we spoke up, we could get our leadership to realize most of us would like them to go about finding the imperfect compromises that will let us all live with each other and get on with our lives.

So yeah, please do "toss the template." That would be a really great idea. Yes, please.

Dahlia's picture

My guess is Homeland Security

gets plenty of "informationn" such as this from paranoid crackpots on a regular basis and they probably have to spend a ridiculous amount of time and tax payers money chasing or looking into these kinds of things when their time and our money could be spent on much more relevant concerns.

Bbeanster's picture

I'm really bumfuzzled by this

I'm really bumfuzzled by this influx of burqa-clad islamic fundamentalists surveilling the Tanger mall.
Just guessing here, but I'm betting there are more Muslims in Knoxville than in Sevier County, and I have never seen anyone in a burqa here. Hijabs, yes. I haven't even seen a niqab (I think that's what they're called) sort of a transitional garment between the hijab and the burqa that leaves the eyes visible, unlike the burqa, which covers the entire face.

Reading the remarks on the Mountain Press's FB page pretty much cures me of any nostalgia I've harbored for the years I worked up there. The various tourist organizations better hope that the national media don't get hold of Hoss Seals. I thought the SCSD had been upgraded since the days of Carman Townsend and Bat Gibson. Guess not.

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