Fri
Oct 5 2007
10:46 am
By: D Mac

Fansler has ruled. All appointees are out, all 12. The remaining 11 commissioners will make replacements. More news as it developes.

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Bbeanster's picture

Ruling here:

Rachel's picture

Just out of curiosity - has

Just out of curiosity - has anyone else noticed how difficult it is to say Chancellor Fansler?

"The difficulty lies not so much in developing new ideas as in escaping from old ones." - John Maynard Keynes

skirob's picture

Amen

Amen

Publius's picture

The KNS headline is

The KNS headline is inaccurate. It says Fansler "offers no roadmap" for filling the vacancies. Footnote 3 on page 11 does exactly that. The Chancellor refers to his guidance as "obiter dictum," so it's not part of the Order, but it certainly is persuasive authority on how to proceed.

What he says is that there are only 11 county commissioners at the moment. A majority vote of 6 is required to make the first appointment. As the appointments are made and, if desired, are immediately sworn in, the number of commissioners will increase and the number necessary to constitute a majority will increase with that (e.g., once you have 13 appointed and sworn in, a majority of 7 will be required to make the next appointment).

The county has sufficient guidance from this opinion on how to proceed. Eleven commissioners vote on an appointment and whoever gets 6 votes is sworn in and votes on the next appointment, etc.

The great part is that the 1/31 appointments are now void, which means that Tramel, Bolus, etc. are not, at this moment, county commissioners. Other great part- if Scooby or Lumpy violate the OM Act again, they go to jail.

Bbeanster's picture

No quorum questions remain

This is clear and consisely written and leaves no unaswered questions that I could find after giving the opinion a quick once-over.

Of particular interest is the long footnote on p. 11 that answers all the questions about how to proceed:

" Counsel involved in this case and in particular the Law Director has urged the Court to specify the method by
which the County Commission should go about filling these vacancies. The Court advised counsel from the
bench on October 2, 2007, that this issue is not before the Court but the Court would respond to any
appropriate motions or actions calling upon the Court to issue an opinion in that regard. Nevertheless, because
of criticism of the courts for failing to specify how the original appointments should have been made and at the
urging of counsel involved in this case, the Court will, by way of obiter dictum, make the following
observations.

Under the Open Meetings Act, the Court is required to nullify the action taken by the County Commission on
January 31, 2007. Accordingly, each and every appointment made on that date has been declared void and of
no effect, thereby creating a vacancy in those offices pursuant to Tenn. Code Ann. §8-48-101.

Where the election of persons who had succeeded to occupy an elected office was adjudged void a vacancy
exists and the former incumbents are not considered de jur or de facto officers and are not entitled to resume
office. Tenn. Juris., Counties, §13. Shumate v. Claiborne County, 191 S.W.2d 441 (Tenn. 1946); Southall v.
Billings, 375 S.W.2d 844 (Tenn. 1963). The same reasoning should apply to void appointments. Accordingly,
the Knox County Commission currently consists of eleven (11) members with eight (8) vacancies.

§2.08. VACANCY., of the Knox County Charter provides that in the event of a vacancy in the office of a
member of the Commission, the remaining members of the Commission shall fill said vacancy. §2.05 of the
Knox County Charter defines quorum as a majority of the membership of the Commission. Membership is
commonly understood to mean the total number of members in a group. At present, with eleven members, a
quorum of the Knox County Commission would be six members.

This does not mean that for purposes of conducting business a quorum would be the majority of those present.
When a seat is filled, the person holding the seat is a member of the body. When the seat is vacant there can be
no member. It would be an absurdity to treat the vacant seats as if they were held by a phantom member for
purposes of determining the majority of the membership. Additionally, defining a quorum as a majority of
nineteen in these circumstances would in effect render the Knox County Commission ineffective inasmuch as
it would require ten votes of the eleven remaining members to conduct business.

11

Nothing precludes Commission from re-appointing the same individuals appointed
on January 31, 2007. However, should Commission decide to do so, that decision must be
based on a new and substantial reconsideration of the issues involved in which the public is
afforded ample opportunity to know the facts and to be heard pertaining to the action taken.
It was not the legislative intent to allow a body to ratify a prior violative act in a subsequent
meeting by a perfunctory crystallization of its earlier action. Neese v. Paris Special School
District, 813 S.W.2d 432 (Tenn. Ct. App. 1990).4
In accordance with Tenn. Code Ann. §8-44-106(c) the Knox County Commission
and its members are permanently enjoined from further violation of Tenn. Code Ann. §8-44-
101, et. seq.. More precisely the Knox County Commission and its members are enjoined
from engaging in any chance meetings, informal assemblages or electronic communications
consisting of, or between, two or more members of the Knox County Commission for
purposes of deciding or deliberating public business in circumvention of the spirit or
requirements of the Open Meetings Act."

Rachel's picture

Trying to process how having

Trying to process how having the 11 rather than the 19 changes the calculus. Should make for interesting times ahead.

"The difficulty lies not so much in developing new ideas as in escaping from old ones." - John Maynard Keynes

Bbeanster's picture

Scoobie/Hutchison have lost

Scoobie/Hutchison have lost their majority.

Rachel's picture

Yup. Like I said,

Yup. Like I said, interesting times ahead.

I heard Mike Hammond on tee vee say that the judgment didn't go into effect for 30 days, so the "current" officeholders could keep on conducting business until then. I didn't see anything like that in the decision. Can anyone clarify?

"The difficulty lies not so much in developing new ideas as in escaping from old ones." - John Maynard Keynes

Bbeanster's picture

Rachel, I agree with you.I

Rachel, I agree with you.

I didn't see a 30-day waiting period on first reading, and I just ran a search for "30" and for "Nov" -- didn't come up withn either.

I don't know where he got that, nor where the NS and WBIR got the "no roadmap" notion,

Rachel's picture

I just read somewhere else

I just read somewhere else that the County has 30 days to appeal, so presumably that's where the 30 days comes from. But I read the opinion to say the appts are null and void as of now, so I'm a bit confused.

And please, please tell me that the County isn't stupid enough to appeal this thing.

I also heard someone mentioning trying to get an injunction staying the decision based on the fact that the 11 don't fully represent all districts. But I can't see this situation is different in that regard from any other vacancy, so it seems like a bad argument to me. And again, are they so stupid that will stall over this thing? Anybody with an IQ over 50 would throw in the towel and move on.

And just curious - a new Commission may well have voted differently on the stormwater ordinance. Can that be put back on Commission agenda when the new Commission is in place - or is there some time constraint on when they could bring that back up?

"The difficulty lies not so much in developing new ideas as in escaping from old ones." - John Maynard Keynes

Russ's picture

A warning in a footnote

From Bbeanster's quote above:

Nothing precludes Commission from re-appointing the same individuals appointed on January 31, 2007. However, should Commission decide to do so, that decision must be based on a new and substantial reconsideration of the issues involved in which the public is afforded ample opportunity to know the facts and to be heard pertaining to the action taken. It was not the legislative intent to allow a body to ratify a prior violative act in a subsequent meeting by a perfunctory crystallization of its earlier action. Neese v. Paris Special School District, 813 S.W.2d 432 (Tenn. Ct. App. 1990).

The footnote on that paragraph contains an interesting warning:

The term "re-do" has often been referred to as a possible remedy for an Open Meetings Act violation. Unless the Neese criteria are met, a "re-do" is insufficient and could result in an action for contempt.

That says to me that if they were to turn around and re-appoint the same crew following a mere pretense of allowing public input, Fansler would smack them. He'll be watching the process closely.

If Scoobie et al. have a lick of sense, they'll pay close attention to that footnote.

~Russ

Rachel's picture

If Scoobie et al. have a

If Scoobie et al. have a lick of sense,

That's a dang big if...

"The difficulty lies not so much in developing new ideas as in escaping from old ones." - John Maynard Keynes

Rachel's picture

Speaking of Scoobie

Listen to him in this interview:

(link...) (click on the video icon in the box on the right).

He's got his talking pts now. The Sunshine Law is bad and needs to be fixed, the City breaks it too, and the original Supreme Court decision throwing out the term limited folks was bad. Boo hoo.

He even refuses to rule out an appeal.

Geez, these guys are just plain self-destructive.

"The difficulty lies not so much in developing new ideas as in escaping from old ones." - John Maynard Keynes

rocketsquirrel's picture

if the appointees are null

if the appointees are null and void, are all commission decisions since Jan 31 null and void?

jbr's picture

Moore talking points...

Sounds like he has been talking to his attorney. Wonder if its the one that is also the lobbyist to County commision?

D Mac's picture

DTV tonight live

DTV, which is on Comcast channel 12 at 9:30, will have Commissioner Mark Harmon, former Knox Co. Dem Chair Jim Gray, and local attorney Jim Andrews. They will be discussing the ruling by Fansler and the upcoming appointment process. The call in number is 215 2288.

Joe328's picture

Revolution

I agree, they can reappoint the same, but if they do, it's time gather on Market Square, camp out, smoke pot, play the Beatles song, "Revolution," and close Knox County government down with a massive protest! I grew up in the 60's and miss a good protest by the people and for the people.

gingerjamrog's picture

"could" go to jail

"COULD result in punishments of imprisonment for a period not to exceed ten (10) days and/or a fine of fifty dollars ($50.00) for each violation."

I sort of doubt they would get worse than the $50 fine...

D Mac's picture

Thirty days was mentioned by

Thirty days was mentioned by John Owings during yesterdays workshop. He claimed that most rulings give thirty days before they become effective (or something along that order).

Publius's picture

30 days

T.C.A. 8-47-123 on removal of officers: "Either party may appeal from the final judgment or decree, but such appeal shall not operate to suspend or vacate the judgment or decree, but the same shall remain in full force and effect until vacated, reversed or modified."

Here we have people who have been put on notice by Court Order that they have held office unlawfully from the beginning. In the Jordan case, the Supreme Court said we had a de facto government despite term limited individuals continuing to hold their seats. That will be a harder case to sell where the people holding the voided seats KNEW by Court Order that their positions were voided but continued in office. If the appointments were void at the time they were made, it is the same as it never happened and they're not in office. Even with a 30 day period until final judgment, they would be treading on dangerous ground if they continue in their seats.

Just one opinion, anyway.

Mello's picture

What about actions / votes

What about actions / votes taken since 1/31 by the Commission? Do all the votes on everything from the budget to board appointments stand as recorded or are they null and void?

Rachel's picture

They stand. The Supreme

They stand. The Supreme Court ruled in the term limits case that although the term limited Commissioners had not been serving legally, they still constituted a de facto Commission. I'm sure the same logic would apply here.

"The difficulty lies not so much in developing new ideas as in escaping from old ones." - John Maynard Keynes

Cortney Piper for Commission's picture

Piper will not seek appointment, looking fwd to election

Given our current political climate, we need voters to bring county government back to the people. Voters will make the difference in transforming our government into a citizen driven vehicle. My campaign is focused on the February 5th election and engaging our community in decisions that affect our lives.

I will not seek an appointment to Knox County Commission. I will serve the Second District only when elected by the voters.

I appreciate the time and attention given to the Sunshine Trials. This event plays a key role in realizing our potential to become a truly citizen driven government.

I encourage people who are looking for a new generation of leadership to vote for me on February 5th. Visit my website at (link...) or call 455-4379 and learn how you can get involved.

Our votes will make a difference.

mjw's picture

Effective date 12:01pm today

There is an effective date of the ruling, 12:01pm October 5, 2007, stated clearly in the opinion. The question would be: Did Fansler automatically or by motion issue a temporary stay of the ruling, pending appeal?

Publius's picture

Lowe- Trustee Again?

Mike Lowe- Trustee Again? According to KNS blog, Owings says the 12 are out of office immediately (told ya so), and that the 4 county-wide offices will be filled by their chief deputies. It goes on to say Mike Lowe will be acting Trustee given that he is Chief Deputy.

Don't think so! That would obviously violate the Jordan decision wherein Lowe was removed. Maybe they'll go ahead and give it to Leuthold- the public will love that.

Interesting that the chief deputies are all people who wanted the offices themselves but were passed over for the anointed. Spangler wants to be sheriff, Nick McBride wants to be register, Stooksbury wants to be Clerk, and Mike Lowe just wants a job. Interesting question will be will these Royal Accidencies (the chief deputies) be so willing to step down, or will deals be cut to appoint them on Oct. 22 to avoid the appearance of rubber-stamping, so they can keep the seat warm until the original appointees win election?

Bbeanster's picture

Spangler never made one

Spangler never made one single move to be appointed sheriff.

He is the most qualified person for the job, IMO. And is a good and decent man.

Publius's picture

Spangler

Very good man. But I don't believe he attended all those GOP mtgs with Hutchison (before JJ patched things up) for nothing. Independence would be a serious issue for me.

Simply Ridiculous's picture

Scoobie re-Doo

Hope not.

My favorite part of the ruling so far:

The term "re-do" has often been referred to as a possible remedy for an Open Meetings Act violation. Unless the Neese criteria are met, a "re-do" is insufficient and could result in an action for contempt.

Wonder what he meant in the WATE interview by "we'll be talking to people in other parts of the state to get their input"......surely he's not up to his same old antics.

Rachel's picture

Scoobie Re-doo is also

Scoobie Re-doo is also bumper sticker worthy.

"The difficulty lies not so much in developing new ideas as in escaping from old ones." - John Maynard Keynes

Publius's picture

I just read this quote from

I just read this quote from Spangler's press conference that, for me, confirms my comment on independence: “The Sheriff’s Office will continue to run as it always has.”

To be fair, I'm sure Spangler means it will be ran with the same degree of law enforcement professionalism, which is laudable. But politically it means the office will continue to be ran by Hutchison, who has done a masterful job of letting Scooby take the hits for the appointments mess. Anyone who thinks that Scooby wasn't taking directions on 1/31 from Hutchison and Valiant is naive.

I have to believe that Spangler is Stage II in the succession plan. JJ gets it first, and Spangler gets it in the 6th year of Hutchison's tenure as County Mayor.

Hoseman19's picture

Is anyone taking bets on

Is anyone taking bets on what will happen with the re-replacements? My guess is that the fee offices and sheriff will be the same. 6 out of 8 for the commissioners. Any bookies in the crowd want to give odds?

mjw's picture

Sisk might be an issue

I'd've agreed before the property tax bill/brochure fiasco, but I wonder if now they won't be dumping Sisk as well.

bizgrrl's picture

The news in out, see AP

The news in out, see AP headline: Tenn. judge ousts 12 elected officials.

Moncier quoted, "The people took back their government."

Watergate invoked.

Tennessee and most other states bar local government leaders from meeting in private to discuss public matters, except in limited circumstances. The laws were passed three decades ago in the wake of the Watergate scandal.

Maybe Knox County citizens take back their government. We'll see.

Simply Ridiculous's picture

In the climate we are in,

In the climate we are in, three commissioners seen eating lunch at Shoney's, by gosh we know they are talking about county government," he said. "I think it brings government to a halt," Moore said. "The Legislature is going to have to look at this and put common sense into it."

Makes you proud, huh?

Rachel's picture

Well, at least he wasn't

Well, at least he wasn't "buffooned"...

"The difficulty lies not so much in developing new ideas as in escaping from old ones." - John Maynard Keynes

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