Tue
Nov 14 2006
11:04 am
cafkia's picture

wow

Is there a hashish house with an internet connection somewhere?? 

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It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.
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R. Neal's picture

Dingleberry for some reason

Dingleberry for some reason hasn't gotten the message that he/she/it is no longer welcome here. He/she/its user ID was blocked, he/she/its day job IP address was banned, and I would ban his/her/its other IPs but they are dialup. He/she/it can't understand why coming to a website and calling people who read it cowards and traitors and terrorist appeasers might get him/her/it uninvited.

Socialist With A Gold Card's picture

Dingleberry for some reason

Dingleberry for some reason hasn't gotten the message that he/she/it is no longer welcome here.

I think the 'Berry gets the message loud & clear. Its purpose was never to engage, debate, or persuade, but rather to pester, annoy, and vent. I think the 'Berry gets some sort of sick thrill from being an irritant.

Showing annoyance only encourages it.

--Socialist With A Gold Card


"I'm a socialist with a gold card. I firmly believe we need a revolution; I'm just concerned that I won't be able to get good moisturizer afterwards." --Brett Butler

 

redmondkr's picture

This infestation has been

This infestation has been almost as annoying as the Asian Lady Beetles this year.  I'm told, however, that the Lady Beetles at least provide some benefit to humans.


"Where we have strong emotions, we're liable to fool ourselves." - Carl Sagan

talidapali's picture

just go with...

 It...that covers all contingencies and is pretty damn accurate to boot. I have a mental image of Dingleberry (or Cussin' It if you please) hunched over a keyboard somewhere...naked except for an over excess of body hair, Nair is a great little invention Cussin' It. But at least with all that hair, the seat don't get too sweaty...

 

"You can't fix stupid..." Ron White

Bbeanster's picture

Perhaps we should know where

Perhaps we should know where Dingleberry works?? Or doesn't work, unless posting on Knox Views is his/her/its day job. Strange that such on-the-job shilly-shallying keeps the wheels of commerce turning.

Bbeanster's picture

Looks like dingleberry's

Looks like dingleberry's back. Again.

redmondkr's picture

POTTED PIGEONS OR BIRDS

POTTED PIGEONS OR BIRDS
From Recipes Tried and True , 1894
Pick, soak, and boil the birds with the same care as for roasting.
Make a crust as for chicken pie; lay the birds in whole, and season
with pepper, salt, bits of butter, and a little sweet marjoram; flour
them thickly; then strain the water in which they were boiled, and
fill up the vessel two-thirds full with it; cover with the crust; cut
hole in the center. Bake one hour and a half.


"Where we have strong emotions, we're liable to fool ourselves." - Carl Sagan

cafkia's picture

OTHER

Personally, I counting on more and more people coming to the realization that I have to give the democrat advantage some legs.  That realization is simply that the nature of progressive/liberal minded individuals appears to make them completely unsuited for the type of single-minded, cohesive thought and action required of an effective opposition party.  The republicans, on the other hand, appear to be unsuited, for a number of reasons, to be the party in power however, they do very well in opposition.

It is said that all politics is local and, I doubt that anyone will pull the lever, or not, for a local based on my analysis above however(comma) it could have a tremendous effect on fund raising efforts and in getting the endorsements of groups or organizations.  At the executive level it can go either way (I prefer progressive but apparently I can't win them all) without too much damage as long as the liberals have a clear legislative majority. 

That people, is what it takes to have the America that we want.  Keep it in mind and repeat it frequently in conversation.

CAFKIA 

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It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.
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Sven's picture

One more heh. Just after the

One more heh.

Just after the Republicans lost the House, House Republican Whip Rep. Roy Blunt spent the weekend hosting a golf outing at Kiawah Island golf resort to thank contributors who had given $5,000 to his leadership PAC, the Rely on Your Beliefs Fund (or the ROYB Fund).

The weekend at the South Carolina resort, described as a “fulfillment,” was attended by about 100 people, including 47 donors, according to Blunt’s office. The contingent also included about 14 Republican congressmen, among them members of tax writing, appropriations, and agriculture committees.

Blunt’s office said the congressman “is proud of the tremendous financial assistance he has given to hundreds of Republican members and candidates and believes that fund-raising is a necessary component of recapturing our majority in 2008, a cause he is 100% committed to.”

 

Sven's picture

But seriously. I don't think

But seriously. I don't think one can accurately describe any election as an acceptance or rejection of an ideology. Bernie Sanders, an actual, dyed-in-the-wool Socialist, won Vermont's ultra-conservative Northeast Kingdom with something like 60% of the vote.

An ideology is nothing more than a guide to action - or non-action, as the case may be. Republicans can keep saying until they're blue in the face (heh) that the "free market" is eventually going to solve the healthcare crisis. But voters don't give a rat's ass about the free-market or socialized medicine. They want a better health care system.

Elections are about performance and credibility. Sometimes, like Bush in 04, a politician can manage to bluff their way through and convince voters he or she needs more time to reach their goals. But eventually they have to pay the piper. It'll be the same for Democrats.

R. Neal's picture

1/2 option one, 1/2 option

1/2 option one, 1/2 option two. You can probably figure out which half of which option.

Toad In The Hole's picture

Let's See Who Pelosi and Reid Put In Charge Of the Assylum

It's a lot easier to grab the keys than it is to know what locks to open and close with them.

If the Democratic leadership does not change from Murtha, Dingel, Conyers, and Frank, the Senate leadership will not change from Byrd, Kennedy, Biden, or Clinton.

If the Democratic leadership does not change, the vote in 2008 surely will revert. Just ask John Kerry and Harold Ford exactly how hard it really is.

Sven's picture

If the Democratic leadership

If the Democratic leadership does not change, the vote in 2008 surely will revert.

Heh.

Heh

Heh

Ha

Johnny Ringo's picture

You cannot underestimate

You cannot underestimate Republican and independent disaffection from the current Republican leadership. Republicans were swept into power in 1994 on promises of low taxes, smaller government and an end to corruption. Over the past few years what we have seen is the opposite, and I don't know a lot of Republicans who were terribly enthusiastic about continuing on the same course. "We are the lesser of two evils" isn't much of a rallying cry.

If the Republicans rediscover what brought them to power in the first place, and back off of some of the social positions that unnerve large numbers of independent voters (adopt a more libertarian philosophy, in other words) then they may find their way out of the wilderness. The question will be whether anyone will trust them again any time soon.

Andy Axel's picture

If the Republicans

If the Republicans rediscover what brought them to power in the first place, and back off of some of the social positions that unnerve large numbers of independent voters (adopt a more libertarian philosophy, in other words) then they may find their way out of the wilderness.

Libertarianism is self-contradictory; i.e. a libertarian "form" of government would be no government at all. "Elect me so I can govern by not governing." How much sense does that make? Wotta ripoff.

I know that there's a trend among "independent" Republic--s to self-label as libertarian, but I think they're just embarrassed to call themselves Republic--s. Many of them still pop the lever for Bush and are unashamed to run to his defense, e.g.

Not to mention the economic whackjobbed-ness of folks like Badnarik. Bring back the gold standard! Let's privatize the public school system!

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Johnny Ringo's picture

Not really

Libertarianism is self-contradictory; i.e. a libertarian "form" of government would be no government at all.

That's really a distortion of libertarian philosophy, which recognizes a role for government, but limits that role pretty much to:

1. Preventing external forces from harming the citizenry; and
2. Preventing the citizens from using force on each other.

A truly "libertarian" government would be much smaller in scope and expense than what we have today, but it would still exist.

In case you are interested, look here.

Andy Axel's picture

BTDT.

A truly "libertarian" government would be much smaller in scope and expense than what we have today, but it would still exist.

In case you are interested, look here.

Oh, believe me, I've looked. BTDT. Not interested.

I have yet to meet a libertarian who has been able to "un-"distort that interpretation of libertarianism, and that's with or without cannabis involvement. You think you have some novel spin? I've read the LP site. Sorry. Reads the same to me today as it read to me 3 years ago as it read to me the first time I saw it on Xerox paper.

I guess that self-absorbed decrepitude just ain't my bag politically.

I mean, plenty of libertarians are OK on a personal level, I guess. It's just that you tend to hit that ONE ISSUE that's their hobby-horse (property rights, the gold standard, gun ownership, militias, the definition of "force," privatizing education, what have you) and you get these diatribes worthy of Lyndon LaRouche. All without a Ouija board. It's fucking frightening, really.

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Johnny Ringo's picture

Well, pure libertarianism was not my point

I mean, plenty of libertarians are OK on a personal level, I guess. It's just that you tend to hit that ONE ISSUE that's their hobby-horse (property rights, the gold standard, gun ownership, militias, the definition of "force," privatizing education, what have you) and you get these diatribes worthy of Lyndon LaRouche. All without a Ouija board. It's fucking frightening, really.

Well, in my experience demagogues and fanatics of all stripes are capable of frightening diatribes. You are as likely to find over-the-top diatribes at Democratic Underground as you are at Free Republic. Moderation in all things is probably the key.

In any event, my original point was not that the Republican party should become the Libertarian party; the fact that the Libertarian party pulls like 1% of the vote is a pretty good indication that their philosophy is not very popular and is never likely to be. And while Hayakian ideals of "spontaneous order in a market society" sound good on paper, they have about as much chance of working in real life as "real socialism."

My point was that the Republican Party, swept into power on promises of honest and limited government, delivered on neither. I'm sure I'm the minority voice here, but I don't see this election as a mandate for big government liberalism. I think people still want what they wanted in 1994 - to be left alone to the extent possible. We'll see what the new Congress proposes, and how the people react.

Anonymous2's picture

My point was that the

My point was that the Republican Party, swept into power on promises of honest and limited government, delivered on neither. I'm sure I'm the minority voice here, but I don't see this election as a mandate for big government liberalism. I think people still want what they wanted in 1994 - to be left alone to the extent possible. We'll see what the new Congress proposes, and how the people react.

As the occasionally visiting Republican/independent, I agree with JR. We were disgusted with the Big Brother mentality of Republicans and the Democrats put up some reasonable candidates. Throw John Kerry at us again, though, or give GW his guest worker program, and watch us turn around fast.

There is a large body of voters who accept some social programs but not all, accept some support for business but not wholesale pillage by Huns, are religious but distrust the real motives of organized mega-churches of the far right, prize common sense over glitz and results over promises. Neither party has given us a line we can walk, and neither party should feel confident that just because we voted this way once means we'll do it again. Show us what you got and we'll see.

R. Neal's picture

But who would build the

But who would build the roads? Or condemn the right of way to build the roads on and put up the utility poles that bring us electricity and telephone and Cable TV?

Number9's picture

But who would build the

But who would build the roads? Or condemn the right of way to build the roads on and put up the utility poles that bring us electricity and telephone and Cable TV?

Like Thomas Jefferson I have some Libertarian leaning. However, pure Libertarianism means toll roads, toll libraries, toll police services, and so on. It will not work. You can carry any of the main groups to the extreme. I have been amused and confused that people must identify with such fervor with a political party. There is not one today that I can support. Ross Perot stuck a fork in any chance of an Independent Party which would have been my choice if it had survived. Fortunately Perot revealed himself for the kook he was. A great opportunity was lost. A third party may have rejuvenated this country.

The other thing that puzzles me is why people are determined to have a one word label to describe themselves and others. Most people I know cannot be described with a one word label.

There are three major groups I can identify with. Conservatives, liberals, and libertarians. I feel most people have some identification with each of these groups. So if a person is 90% conservative do we just round up to the nearest point and say he is a conservative? Do when then assume he is a Republican? Most people don't reach a 90 % threshold.

Not very scientific nor very accurate. Just because someone is a conservative does not automatically mean they are a Republican. Lincoln Davis would be a point in case. Jimmy Duncan is a conservative but he bucks many Republican trends.

We would do much better to abandon this notion to have a convenient one word label for each other and understand that is too simplistic a way of thinking. So why do people do it? To belong to a group? To be able to marginalize their opponents? Oh you know old Smith is just a Democrat, what can you expect from him? You know how "they" are.

This past election shows us that the biggest party is still the apathy party. The baby boomers have not lived up to the heritage of their parents and grand parents. We need a new "greatest generation". I am not sure we can make the cut. One thing is for sure, we need better people to run for office and some how we have to stick a fork in the apathy party.

cafkia's picture

 We would do much better to

 We would do much better to abandon this notion to have a convenient one word label for each other and understand that is too simplistic a way of thinking. So why do people do it? To belong to a group? To be able to marginalize their opponents? Oh you know old Smith is just a Democrat, what can you expect from him? You know how "they" are.

Unfortunately, I suspect that many are like me and use the labels more to identify what we are not than what we are.  If I am 65% liberal with strong libertarian leanings and a somewhat conservative mindset towards the use of public funds, in some situations I might well be satisfied with just having folks know that I am not in any way, shape, form, or fashion, a republican.  Some times, some situations do not call for or allow a complete description.  Sometimes what is called for, is something more simplistic.

CAFKIA 

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captainkona's picture

Gotta agree with Andy...

Libertarians are cool in the confines of their more socially-liberal attitudes. They just get a little too into that "hands-off" governing system.
Let's face it, anyone who smokes pot has potential;-) but most of the Libertarians I've spoken to over the last few years were in full support of the Iraq war thus proving they were no more in touch with reality than the Repigs.

Libertarians would do well to distance themselves from unstable ideas like privatizing everything. You see how well that worked for the Repigs.

talidapali's picture

i voted other...

I do not think that the Democratic gains in the House and Senate signal that the Dems are becoming more competitive...they are, but that's not why they won in so many races this year.

I believe that the Dem gains were due to the people waking up to the fact that they had been duped by Republican promises of change that did not materialize and wide-spread corruption within the Republican party that did materialize.

I believe that people finally became aware of just how many falsehoods and misleading "evidence" was used to push the country into a war in Iraq. I think that the people began to become angry that the true war against terrorism that we began fighting in Afghanistan was all but abandoned by the Bush administration when they were finally able to trump up enough "evidence" to justify going into Iraq and finishing what W perceived as his daddy's "failure" to effectively prosecute the first Gulf War. And I think that the people are angry that W did not listen to cooler, wiser heads when it came to the reasoning behind his father's decision to NOT go into Iraq, which ultimately proved to be the right decision as evidenced by our now 3+ years and counting long involvement. And that at home, W's policies have us overspending our means, and underfunding programs he highly touted, and blowing a budget surplus and turning it into a deficit, and engaging in the politics of nastiness for six years, and doing less for people that really need help while spending more and more money on a war that did NOT have to be fought at this time (I do think Saddam Hussein would have to have been dealt with sometime, but now was NOT the time...he was effectively contained and no danger to anyone but himself and his own people).

As for 2008, the Dems would do well to learn a few things very quickly. I think that Dems stand to lose more than they gained in 2006 if they do not show the people substantial change and innovations in governance. They MUST lead better and more productively than the Republicans have or they are DEAD in 2008. And they must include conservatives' opinions and values (inclusion does not necessarily mean caving in by the way) in any legislation they offer, they cannot afford to discount the other half of the country as the Republicans did for so long. And they MUST avoid the kind of corrupting influences that did in the Republican party so quickly.

"You can't fix stupid..." Ron White

captainkona's picture

Or maybe....

Maybe America has realized that Progressive/Liberal is simply the best way to go. The Evanganoid Right-Wing proved to be such zealots that they even scared the Repig wackos.

Perhaps America now realizes that the Republican Party and the Right-Wing fringe really are the threat to freedom we've been saying they are.
Now the Dems just need to get results and that should be it for Righty. :)

Love ya, Tali! See you back at the ranch. :)

Sven's picture

One word: fluoridation.Via

One word: fluoridation.

Via Spencer Ackerman, this gem from Rich Lowry:

Liberals cannot count on conservatives being associated with corruption, incompetence or an unpopular war forever.

Note that he didn't mention laughs.  

WhitesCreek's picture

I don't see any reason why not...

Liberals cannot count on conservatives being associated with corruption, incompetence or an unpopular war forever.

Gee, they always have been...What's to stop them now? As one of my favorite philosophers always says, "The conservative case cannot be made with the truth."

Yeah...that was me.

Andy Axel's picture

Some shade of grey in

Some shade of grey in there.

I think it's a coalescence of energetic efforts on the part of the Democratic grassroots combined with a willingness to spend significant dollars on the part of the national organization -- which would have less momentum if Bush's administration was more popular.

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Brian A.'s picture

Ooops

Where's the edit/delete feature when you need it?

#1 should be "Evidence that the Democratic party is becoming more competitive and should win in '08" 

Brian A.
I'd rather be cycling.

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