I was quite amused with Paul Pinkston's animated questioning at a commission meeting of whether anyone looked up "neptatism" in the dictionary because he had and was quite clear on what it meant.

What a pathetic embarrassment.

The best part, though, is Lumpy thinking that an ethics committee being able to set ethics policy is the same as the Salem Witch trials, the Inquisition (nobody expects the inquisition!), and the "McCartney" hearings. What exactly is he trying to hide? Who is he trying to hide from? Yoko?

And to answer your question, no, newspapers shouldn't clean up grammar like that. People need to know what kind of bozos they are electing to be in charge of a $600 million+ operation.

Glad you were able to watch the meeting. I was present for most of it. Where were you?

I was quite surprised yesterday. Larry Van Guilder of the Shopper was there. Another writer that I have seen but do not know was there. Channel 6 Photog and Reporter appeared briefly.

I won't fault comissioners for sounding like their constituents, though these new words Scoobie makes up are a bit over the top.

As someone who suffers from brain farts, I'd be the last one to critique Lumpy's McCartney/McCarthy. We all know what he was talking about.

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Less is the new More - Karrie Jacobs

Thanks for the comment. You have never answered the question relative of Bean or employee of Sandra Clark E.W. Scripps?

Bean, No I work more hours than a full-time job. I have always been told that when you are paid to do a job (like newspaper reporting, that you should show up)What happens if the cable signal is lost in North Knoxville? Maybe since the Committee meetings are televised and there are no binding votes, then the Commissioners can stay home and watch it and be prepared to vote at the full Commission meeting on Monday. They are being paid to attend but after all it is televised.

I will re-iterate Larry Van Guilder, the other newprint reporter (probably Tom Benning), one reporter and photog from WATE made an appearance at the meeting.

I think, maybe, they are in training to be Commander-in Chief. Don't cry for me Argentina.

Awful. I've made some verbal flubs myself, but those are pretty bad from the 'ruling class'

Maybe the Sentinel should print(as best they can) what was actually said, or offer audio on their website. The point was made above, let the voters put a voice with an identity.

I will re-iterate Larry Van Guilder...

I don't know what that would look like and I wouldn't want to find out.

Come on, admit it. Every time one of those boys pulls that microphone forward, you have a little grin on the inside because you know its going to make great copy...

"This is reminiscent of the Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials, the McCartney hearings"

Sigh... It would be comical if it wasn't so tragic.

I personally don't think the News Sentinel has any business criticizing anyone else's grammar.

You know, glass houses and all that...

It was a funny moment. Lumpy made his Spanish Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, and Army-McCartney comment about the ethics committee.

Commissioner Mike Hammond serves on the ethics committee, and he took exception to those comparisons.

I said something like, "To be fair, Commissioner Lambert said the McCartney hearings. Perhaps he meant the McCarthy. Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da."

Mark Harmon

I found it laughable that Moore was concerned about editorials and public sentiment. Wasn't he the one that maintains there is has been no significant public outcry from Jan 31?

Kudos to Hammond for the 'KNS not having a vote' on that body rebuttal.

I'm guessing she meant Julia Tucker. Or she was making a point in a very sophisticated and subtle manner.

I see Lumpy's statement as an example of hyperbole. I hope he didn't mean it seriously.

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Less is the new More - Karrie Jacobs

The verbal gaffs of the Knox County commissioners are probably no worse than the Decider's. With NCLB, we need to make sure "is our children learning?", while our single parents go out and "try to put food on their families". The KC Kidz (trademark! HA! beat you Colbert!) are just following in the fine footsteps of W.

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Looks to me like much of knox county government is in denial.If its about black wednesday it aint about me;if its about credit cards ect ect it aint about me,if its about nepotism it aint about me.Who give this here ethics committee the right to poke 'round what i'm doin?
I'm here to tell you the voters are puttin this all into one big lump of coal..A pox on all your houses.

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In '48,during Harry Truman's whistle stop campaign,somebody shouted;Give em Hell Harry!!;Truman replied"I'm just tellin the truth & they think its hell."

I will re-iterate Larry Van Guilder...

I don't know what that would look like and I wouldn't want to find out.

What is scary is that he has already done whatever it is once to Larry already, evidently.

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there you go again. I just checked and I have not added anyone to my buddy list. All tough I like everyone, I do not single any one individual out as a buddy. So a correction is in order from you to the viewers of this forum.

I am sorry that I missed the report that Sandra and E.W. Scripps have forever taken you away from the County Commission beat. I was informed that it was only until that rezoning that you were opposing was voted on. My source was bad on that one, that is how it happens sometimes.

Have they started moving dirt, yet?

As for Justin, I am happy for you that you don't have to claim Bean as a relative or Sandra and E.W. Scripps for employment. Have a Great day.

Sorry, Brian -- that was your doppelgänger KnoxInsider007 who has me on a buddy list. Funny how he/she/it hasn't seen the necessity to show up here since your return. But I've never seen the two of you in the same place, "all tough" you like everybody -- Hey, with that kind of command of the language, you ought to consider running for County Commission! You'd fit right in -- and Republicans always win in your district, right?

I guess nobody out there figured out that Karen Carson is a Democrat.

knew Carson was a Democrat only Democrats voted in the Presidential Preference Primary of 2004. The Republicans had no reason to show up with only W on the ballot. With no reason to vote and the apathy that is Knox County voters that is how it happens.

School Board is non partisan by the way.

I realized that I had one term and I got some major accomplishments in my 4 years. Three of them were: Recognition of Memorial Day as a KCS Holiday for employees, a New Cedar Bluff Elementary School, the cell phone ban lifted.

Thanks for your interest in my potential political future. Heck if I had been on Commission I might have voted against the development that you were oppposing. It seems you could use some friends on Commission.

Hit dont matter how they done said it.
Hit matters what they done said.

This aint nuthin new.That bunch up in the Courthouse has always tuk care of the rich man.Dont think much of the little man.Till it comes Election time.

Come this here election I'm of a mind vote agin the whole bunch.

That ain't nothing new. Now is it?

You a been doing that there thing fer years. (this is intended as a joke to my friend Bill Young)

"Everybody knew Carson was a Democrat only Democrats voted in the Presidential Preference Primary of 2004."
Sorry to break it to you Brian, but Carson is not a Democrat. If you'd bother to look at the Farragut Republican Club roster you would have known that a long time ago! I do perfer to vote for the best candidate in a local race, regardless of party. Maybe that is also what all those other voters did in the 2004 election.

I hate to break it to you but in order to be a member of the Knox County Republican Party. You must be a delegate at your precinct. Craig Leuthold is Chairman of our precinct committee. I have attended every re-organization at our precinct since 1993 and every countywide re-organization since 1984 era. I have attended every precinct re-organization in East Knox County since 1982 era.

You have never attended the precinct or countywide organization.

The only school board members that are recognized as Republicans in good standing are the ones found on the knoxgop.org website. They are School Board Vice Chair Cindy Buttry, Former School Board Chair Dr. Dan Murphy, Jim Williams and Thomas Deakins are the only school board that the party recognizes as Republican.

Voting records of elected officials are checked by party officials in order to be recognized as a Republican and then an invitation is sent to request permission for the individual to be identified with the party.

To be listed as a member of the Farragut Concord Republican Club which you cite is to simply pay yearly dues. No voting record is checked at the Farragut Concord club. Being a member of one of the 13 clubs is not membership in the Knox County Republican Party. Each of the clubs operate seperately, some clubs require you to prove your Republican in good standing credentials prior to paying your dues.

I hate to break it to you but in order to be a member of the Knox County Republican Party. You must be a delegate at your precinct. Craig Leuthold is Chairman of our precinct committee. I have attended every re-organization at our precinct since 1993 and every countywide re-organization since 1984 era. I have attended every precinct re-organization in East Knox County since 1982 era.

You have never attended the precinct or countywide organization.

The only school board members that are recognized as Republicans in good standing are the ones found on the knoxgop.org website. They are School Board Vice Chair Cindy Buttry, Former School Board Chair Dr. Dan Murphy, Jim Williams and Thomas Deakins.

Voting records of elected officials are checked by party officials in order to be recognized as a Republican and then an invitation is sent to request permission for the individual to be identified with the party.

To be listed as a member of the Farragut Concord Republican Club which you cite is to simply pay yearly dues. No voting record is checked at the Farragut Concord club. Being a member of one of the 13 clubs is not membership in the Knox County Republican Party. Each of the clubs operate seperately, some clubs require you to prove your Republican in good standing credentials prior to paying your dues.

I did go away and then people informed me that I was being accused (primarily by Beanster and CBT) of being every Anonymous poster.

So, I came back to allow the readers of KnoxViews to have my input. No guarantees for how long I will be here because in addition to work, my real blog and working to elect Good Republicans I may not have the time.

However, I am here primarily so that Bean and CBT can't and won't assume that I am lurking in the shadows.

BTW, I haven't heard from you in a while. Email me I would still like to have a cup of coffee with you sometime. Thanks for adding me to your buddy list. I am still not adding anyone to a buddy list. Hope your not offended.

I am taking the advice of Big Kenny from the country band Big and Rich and that is to Love Everybody. That means to be nice to everyone and not mean to anyone.

All I know is that when Karen ran against Hornback I had no idea who either of them were nor did I know their party affiliation. But after hearing both speak at a mini debate, I knew I'd never vote for Hornback. He came across as he always comes across, as an overly-arrogant ____.

(fill in your favorite insult)

Thanks Paul. Good to hear from you. Have a great week.

that is fair. thanks.

Constitution & By-Laws;Article II.Membership

Any registered voter of Knox County,Tennessee,
who supports the goals & purposes of the Democratic Party
shall be entilted to membership & full participation in the party.

In the past year & 1/2,I've had my differences,with members of the Democratic executive committee.I've stomped & cussed.
Been convinced I'm right;when I wasn't.Acted like the grumpy old man I thought I'd never be.

But never did I tell anyone they weren't a Democrat.
Nor did anybody ever tell me I wasnt a Democrat.

Come join
We may cuss & fuss
But you are always one of us

the difference in my Republican party -vs- your Democrat party is that we Republicans have delegated precincts. We have a number of delegates that are assigned per precinct based on the number of Republican voters in the last Republican Presidential Primary. In many cases there are more willing delegates than number of delegate slots and they must compete for positions at the precinct level (Halls is one where they fight for positions).

Two weeks later we meet at a countywide re-organiation. Only delegates of each precinct can vote. If a delegate can not attend they can provide a notorized statement to a properly selected delegate alternate within their precinct that can vote.

The KCRP have thousands of qualified delegates countywide. I believe the KCDP have their re-organization on one Saturday morning.

Because of the mass number of delegates it is neccesary to spread our re-organization over a couple of weeks one week night in 96 precinct meetings and one mass countywide convention.

We encourage individuals to cast votes for qualified candidates as Ms. Carson mentioned. However, to profess to be a member of the party. There is a requirement/process. I believe 65-75% of the citizens in Knox County identify themselves as Republican. However, there is no provision that allows me or them to register at the election commission as a Republican or you as a Democrat. So, to be an official member it takes more effort than just professing so.

BTW, Any registered voter of Knox County,Tennessee,
who supports the goals & purposes of the Republican Party is entitled to attend the delegate re-organization meeting at their precinct. When elected as a delegate they then shall be entilted to membership & full participation in the party.

There is a requirement to sign a loyalty oath/pledge. We also pay for a newspaper ad in the Knoxville News-Sentinel in order to inform all citizens of the precinct re-organization.

We have specfic rules,per county bylaws,concerning being a delegate @ the County Biennial Convention as prescribed by the Tn.Democratic Party.Futhermore,we have rules concerning being a member of the Knox County Democratic Executive Committee per county bylaws.

However,WE HAVE NO REQUIRMENT/PROCESSS to be a member of the Knox County DEMOCRATIC PARTY other than being a registered voter,in Knox County & supporting the goals & purposes of the party.

If you say you are;you are.

Another GOP event coming up, too:

Watch for an announcement of a spaghetti supper fund raiser in August to try and replentish the party's coffers, which are flat busted.
The Knox County Republican Party is broke.

it is like you say potato, I say potato. What you are talking about is John Doe saying I am a Republican. We welcome Mr. Doe to vote for the Republicans like Tim Hutchison, Mike Ragsdale, Mike Lowe, Register of Deeds Steve Hall, City Councilman Joe Bailey and City Councilman Steve Hall and all others. I am talking about John Doe saying that I am a Republican and is a worker within the county party through organizing their neighborhood.

What I understood Ms. Carson to post is that she is Republican. There would be a difference say in Ms. Carson professing allegiance to the party because of a $10 membership donation to one community club (Farragut Concord) the club is a welcome addition but is not part of the Party system and say School Board Vice Chair Cindy Buttry that is a Treasurer on the County Executive Committee, a delegate of her precinct for many years.

To be recognized you need to vote Republican and have invested sweat equity into the party system. After all that is why we are the MAJORITY party.

there you go again. Reporting bad information. It is not busted. There were funds left in the treasury, there was significant dollars raised on the day of the Convention (that your boss likes to overlook in her reporting) and there have been contributions since that time. Remember, I still have a seat on the Executive Committee as Immediate Past Chairman.

I am really surprised Bean that you just keep making this stuff up and reporting it as fact. BTW it is 8:17 pm I am watching City Council on television and you noted in a post earlier today that the City is now your beat. Are you posting while sitting at the Council meeting or are you watching Council at home. You don't have to answer.

I see Hubert Smith is at the media table.

At the Biennial Convention,per Art.IV,sec 5.of the bylaws.
Participation in the convention shall be open to ALL members.Only officially elected delegates can vote BUT ANY member of the party,per art II,will be recognized by the convention chair to offer amendments to the bylaws.

Also,per Art.XI sec b,the bylaws can be amended by the Executive committee.Any member,per Art II,can offer an amendment to the Board of Governors,the first step in the process.

Sandra Clark for some reason cannot post to this board from home, but she emailed me and asked me to post this for her.
Here goes:

--GOP Membership

As a former Republican Party officeholder (state rep) and as a delegate from my precinct (Pedigo) since I was old enough to vote, I have never signed a loyalty oath or heard of such a requirement. We don't have party registration in Tennessee. Republicans are those who say they are; Democrats are those who say they are; Independents likewise.

Of course, some Republicans are smarter than others. -- s.

If your guess is good, in a college town.

Sandra I will fax you the loyalty oath that is part of the re-organization packet sent to each precinct Chairman or Chairwoman.

I am sorry that you have been in the dark for so long. However, I have been a precict Chairman at a couple of different precincts since 1982/1984 - Present.

Some precincts are run by the rules and well it appears that Pedigo may not be. I do not have the information available for the current Chairman that was elected in 2007. However, Teresa Clark served 2005-2007,John Jones from 2003-2005, John Jones 2001-2002, David Spangler 1997-1998 and John Jones in 1994-1995. I do not have the history at hand for 1999-2001 and for 1995-1997.

It would appear that Sandra's precinct has suffered alot of turnover in leadership. I apologize that Sandra has not had a copy of the loyality oath. Sandra, I will send it to you.

In addition, the KCRP is governed by by-laws, as well as the Democrat Party appears to be as well.

I certainly hope that Sandra as a delegate has not violated the loyalty oath. It appears that she can and would be able at least plead ignorance of the rule.

but to Republican candidates. There are several different type of Republicans in Knox County. Like Wanda Moody -vs- Tony Norman, Mary Lou Horner -vs- R. Larry Smith. There are enough candidates to choose the one that best represents your Republican interest.

In the words of Congressman Jimmy Duncan referring to the 2008 Presidential race but would apply to local candidates as well "any Republican candidate is better than any candidate they have." They = Democrats

BBeanster's slap at R.Larry's degree is classic. They supported a candidate against R. Larry that didn't have a college degree.

Bean, you and Sandra can't have it both ways. But you can say it and write it both ways. I guess.

I've been a Young Republican officer (some 16 years ago), precinct committee member for about that long, County Vice-Chairman for several years and was elected County GOP Chairman 2003-2005. To my knowledge, I have never signed any sort of loyalty oath.

In fact, I was at this year's reorganization meeting for the Concord precinct. Mr. Hornback is also a member of that same committee and attended the meeting. I showed up at the precinct meeting and my name was put on the list of delegates to be sent to the County Reorganization (convention). I attended the County Convention and voted, same as every other delegate. I was never asked to sign any loyalty oath.

When elected as a delegate they then shall be entilted to membership & full participation in the party.

Brian, is this a quote from the Party Bylaws? Section please. If not, where does it come from?

I don't believe there are any formal requirements to claim membership in the Republican Party. If serving as a precinct delegate is required, Senators Frist, Thompson and a number of other local, state and national Republican elected officials who have never been a precinct delegate could not claim to be a 'member' of the Republican Party. Just a guess, but I suspect there are Knox County elected officials who have never served as a precinct delegate.

Mr. Hornback is right on one thing. The Knox County Republican Party does have a detailed process for electing local party officers. Lots of good folks from all precincts have the opportunity to be involved.

you were probably talking to one of the others at the meeting when the loyalty oath was passed around by Craig. If you need me to I will provide you a copy as well. Let me know and I will snail mail it to you.

You have something with my signature on it? Send it on.

Well, this has been quite a show... I've been a card carrying member / donor of the RNC for many years but have never really been involved with the local party. I've never really tried to figure out how to connect and from this string of comments it sounds way to complicated...

Just like they had in Germany?

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"You can't fix stupid..." ~ Ron White"

"I never said I wasn't a brat..." ~ Talidapali

you can go to my blog. RNeal has it linked to the right. Send me an email. I will be happy to send you a one pager that will walk you through the process.

It isn't hard or complicated. It is just a process.

There are a couple of people that would prefer to make it sound complicated to in order to re-elect their favorite Commissioner. A Commissioner without a college degree to an uptenth term and then when the Commissioner gets beat. Criticize the degree that the new Commissioner has.

We need you to be involved.

no not that kind.

I,Bill Young,Vice-Chair of ward 10-N.
Offer this amendment to the bylaws.
When the Republican Party members or non loyality oath members or whatever members as defined by whatever bylaws of the Knox County Republican Party are hitting each other over the head with baseball bats.We the proud members of the Democratic Party of Knox County hereby & forever more supply said members of the Republican Party with free baseball bats.

the motion,on the amendment, has been duly seconded

We need one more because whenever there are 4 members of Democratic Party in the house;there's ALWAYS a fifth.

for every four Democrats it is neccesary to drink? Bill said "because whenever there are 4 members of Democratic Party in the house;there's ALWAYS a fifth."

You all don't drive afterwards. Do you?

working to elect Good Republicans I may not have the time.

And how is that working out for you? All the time in the world won't settle the pissing contest going on with the local GOP. Are you on Team Ragsdale or Team Hutchison? (Most should already know) I prefer to think you are a closet Mark Harmon kinda guy.

btw, I am having a great week!

This is by far the local politics thread of the week. Maybe ever.

Loyalty oaths? Hilarious!

Bill, count on me for the fifth.

Brian, at least Democrats aren't out getting drunk and blowing up foreign countries for no good reason. Sadly, it's the USA that will have the hangover.

I sent the Werner thread to all my buddies. I guess I should have sent this one instead.

The Waltons Eat Their Young will not be shown tonight so we can bring you....

Do go on! (Maybe Sven or talidapali can supply the screen grab of Jon Stewart with eyes bugged out, hands under chin, shit grin, etc.)

So the GOP holds their own hostage if they decide not to be--er, uh--held hostage to the party anymore.

While Dems have only quaint notions like freedom to think for themselves and a "secret ballot." What's democratic about that? And they have the gall to call themselves "Democrats." Bah!

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Good Republicans?

If we learned nothing else from this thread, we go away secure in the knowledge that Brian Hornback loves us each and every one.

Even you, Beanster.

Does that give you a warm fuzzy or what!

I gotta go, there's biscuits ready to take out of the oven and I just bought a new jar of honey.

Wearybottom Associates

In reference to quoting public officials, I say print it like they said it and let the chips fall where they may.

Good republicans? Jumbo shrimp? Suburban efficiency? Safe driving? Soft steel? I suppose all of those things are possible only in comparison to others of their number.

CAFKIA

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It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.
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The form I signed here in Knox County had a blank for party affiliation but that was in the mid seventies.

Wearybottom Associates

This time next year early voting,for the '08 Knox County General elections,will have been going on for 1 hour & nineteen minutes.

Do you know where your neighborhood Democrats are???

My first experience voting here in TN was in Sevier County. When they asked me my party affiliation and I replied "democrat", everyone in the site stopped what they were doing and looked at me. I guess they had not seen one in those parts for awhile.

We hear people all the time claim to be "registered Democrats" or "registered Republicans".

It just ain't so in Tennessee.

Never has been as far as I can tell.
You do not, and cannot, register by party in Tennessee.
There is no space for party designation on any of the voter registration forms in our files.

You vote in party primaries of your choice like R. Neal said.

The story goes that Governor Frank Clement went to the Pittman Center voting ward in Sevier County.

Because he wanted to see a place that gave him 0 votes.

When we registered in TN the gal in Nashville looked at me funny when I said I wanted to register as a Democrat.

It took awhile but I finally understood folks can't register with a party here.

knoxquerious, I support both. I have supported Sheriff Tim since 1990. I have been friends with Mayor Ragsdale since 1993. Thanks for the question. Glad you are having a good week.

R. Neal I believe it was your Democrats that voted for the war before they voted against the war. I guess they had to get the marching orders from Howard DEEEEEEEAAAANNN.

smalc, if you registered in Tennessee you have NEVER been able to register a party preference. However, everytime you vote in a primary. You can vote Democrat in three primaries and Republican in the fourth primary. Kind of like some of the KnoxViews contributers. Not me. But I know of one.

Bill Young said "This time next year early voting,for the '08 Knox County General elections,will have been going on for 1 hour & nineteen minutes.Do you know where your neighborhood Democrats are???"

Well Bill, based on your earlier post if there is 4 or more their getting drunk. Isn't there a law against voting while intoxicated? or is that only in the House and Senate?

I am now caught up with all you'uns that have posted within the last 12 hours.

Bring it on.

your question was Team Hutchison or Team Ragsdale. That has absolutely NOTHING to do with p card transactions, cronyism, nepotism and Black Wednesday. But thanks for the additional question. I am sure it is hard to keep all your thoughts together.

I am against the transactions that have been revealed in the p card investigation. However, from the media reports all the transactions that didn't pass the Mayor's smell test have been paid back.

I am opposed to the likes of a Sharon Cawood appointment where she was hired in December off the street as a Supervisor, is apppointed to her husband's seat while her husband winds up as a baliff. Triple dipping from the citizens of Knox County.

Does that mean I no longer support Sheriff Tim or Mayor Mike. No. Does that mean that any Republican candidate in Knox County is better than a Democrat candidate. Yes.

As Chairman of the Knox County Republican Party on January 31, 2007. I could have talked with each Republican Commissioner individually (actually I am not an elected official, so I could have done it in a Republican Commissioner private meeting) We could have targeted Diane Jordan's seat, Mark Cawood's seat and Mike Padgett's seat. I said NO, the citizens elected Democrats and Democrats is what they will get.

As for the Second district, if Billy and Mark could have gotten together on one Demo candidate. The Demo party would still have it. They couldn't. The Republican Commissioners along with a Democrat or two put in a good Republican Chuck Bolus.

BTW, the Commissioners didn't prohibit anybody from walking up to them during those breaks on Jan. 31, 2007. Even you could have joined in.

R. Neal I believe it was your Democrats that voted for the war before they voted against the war. I guess they had to get the marching orders from Howard DEEEEEEEAAAANNN.

That is an amazing statement from a talking points spewing republican. It is, of course, also wrong. The measure that was voted on was not "war or, no war". That would have been simple , easy, and hard to pass. The measure was whether or not to give the Moron-n-Thief the power to initiate military action with regard to Iraq without first having to specifically get congress on board. I imagine that in a lot of republican's minds, they were voting for war. Why not, they and their children weren't going to go.

Still, it was the wrong thing for the Dems to do. They had no basis whatsoever for believing that Bush had the good of the nation at heart or, could be trusted with additional power. That was the failure of the Dems, a criminally naive trust of the criminally intentioned republican party and especially their leader.

CAFKIA

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You said "Still, it was the wrong thing for the Dems to do."

So what's you going to do in 2008. Vote for a Dem that still did the wrong thing.

It's o.k. We can discuss issues with out all the hate and meanness that you just spewed.

Vote for a Dem that [sic ] still did the wrong thing.

Kerry (I presume you mean) screwed up, all right. He trusted Bush after Bush insisted that Congress do so. (Bush falsely claimed that Congress had the same intel as the White House did, but it didn't; Congress was told it had to trust and follow the commander.)

Then there's that guy Gore. Right about Iraq, right about taking bin Laden seriously before and after 9/11, right about climate change, etc. etc. etc.

Then again, Michael Moore, the Dixie Chicks, and any number of us "surrender monkeys" were right about Iraq from the start.

Bush and Cheney, wrong about everything of significance. Dubya is just another word for failure.

Beanster, Thanks for your comments about failing a 9th grade English class. I will give you that in the medium of email/blogging, I may make mistakes. I am not perfect.

Two things come to mind on this issue. In my publication every week, I may make mistakes but do not print lies. The publication where you currently work prints lies every week. Under the title of Lies. Secondly, your mother was was one of my elective teachers in either the 10th or 11th grade at Carter High School. What do you think about that?

Tamara, I respect you and I understand why you might have the opinion you do. We need to respectfully disagree on this one.

I graduated from Carter in 1984. (4 years btw 1980 as a Freshman and out as a Senior in May 1984) Graduation was 23 years ago this past May. Yes, I am currently 40 years old.

I can tell you the class was sixth period and it was a Civics class.

Thanks for your concern.

Thanks for your concern in saying "But you don't seem here so much to debate issues, you seem here to fight with CBT, Sandra, & Betty. It's getting old."

When you go back and review the posts that I have made they are all in response to Beanster, Sandra and CBT. I guess it is your opinion that I should take their lies and not defend myself.

As for my return to KnoxViews. Beanster and CBT everytime some fictious name would pop up, they accused the person of being me. I am here in essence at their request.

Mike Arms wants to change the subject from Ragsdale, Werner, Finch, Bone and lobster. Folks on this board can form their own opinion about who is here to carry out that mission. -- s.

Nice Avoidance of your employee relations gaffe with E.W. Scripps. Nice avoidance of your campaign management of Mary Lou.

You have accused me of carrying Ragsdale's water since about 1994, when he beat your candidate with more than 60% of the vote. I carry good Republicans water whether it be Sheriff Tim, Mayor Mike or any of the others.

You just can't stand to be exposed for your constant printing of rumors, gossip and lies.

to stop commenting on this thread when the others stop commenting on this thread.

your mother I said Hello. I am glad she remembers me because we did have significant discussion about Civics in her class. Her view -vs- Mine.

As for her exact quotes. It would be interesting and hard to believe coming from a reporter that has notoriously gotten it wrong. However, I am still complimented that she remembers me.

As for your mother having anything to do with it? You commented on a 9th grade English class. That is for Rachel's benefit. So that Rachel understands my response to you.

BTW, Obviously, I was bright enough to pass your mother's class. Your 86 year old mother and you should be aware of the FERPA law.

that I am being blogstalked by Sandra, CBT and Beanster. I am pretty sure that I can handle it. Bean and CBT actually drug me in here always accusing me of being someone else.

Truth overtakes Gossip and Lies everytime.

I'm pacificaly bufooned by all this malignant blog foolery. Theys people that needs to move on and get past the Spanish Witch trials.

you know me. I have tolerated at least 15 years of being targeted in Gossip and Lies.

I was concerned for CAFKIA's health and wellness.

concern ourselves with name calling. We leave that up to others.

You mean double dipping such as Craig Leuthold who both works for Knox County and serves as a commissioner? And do you make a difference for career school teachers? -- s.

Brian ask the question:Isn't there a law against voting while intoxicated? Polling places are public.
If one is intoxicated at a polling place,voting are not,they risk being charged with pd.

However,if one is intoxicated while voting absentee at home.I dont know if there is a law against that.

double dipping and large pay raises for being a Commissioner, either.

I just got off the phone with Greg Mackay and he has confirmed that I am, indeed, losing the few marbles I had gathered.

Last fall when I voted, some poll workers looked at my registration card, laughed, and promised to send me me a replacement for the relic in the mail. I had forgotten all about it until this party affiliation talk came up and I tried to find it to prove I hadn't imagined it. It has apparently been sucked up by the Basement Monster along with most of my βeta cassettes.

I never received my replacement card so I called the election commission and happened to mention this 'urban legend'. Greg gently told me that I was wrong about the card and then we had a laugh about the dangers of posting in the shark-infested waters of KnoxViews.

Sorry about the mis-information.

I am still gonna find that card.

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